2025 4Runner announced!

[chassis]

Long awaited by 4Runner fans everywhere. Arguably the best vehicle ever designed, manufactured and sold.

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2025-to...eady-heritage/

2 powertrains: 2.4L 4-cylinder ICE and 2.4L 4-cylinder mild hybrid, both with 8-speed transmission.

[ash_schwin]

I love the new body style....very much past due by this point. We have one at home and it is a bulletproof reliability vehicle.

[gonzo]

As far as looks go, not bad.
Except for the snorkel.

Stop it.

I'm looking at you too, moist pea gravel roaming Defenders.

[RM7]

I was pretty sure it would use the new Tacoma drivetrains. Not surprised.

[Burrcold]

Toyota is cashing in on all these new models! Looks good, but more importantly, it looks like a 4Runner!

[MADBMWX5MC]

I hope these two bring enough power to this new beast...

"Standard i-FORCE turbocharged 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine produces 278 horsepower, 317 lb.-ft. of torque"

"Available i-FORCE MAX hybrid powertrain produces up to 326 horsepower, 465 lb.-ft. of torque"

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by chassis

Long awaited by 4Runner fans everywhere. Arguably the best vehicle ever designed, manufactured and sold.

Are you drunk?

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by ash_schwin

I love the new body style....very much past due by this point. We have one at home and it is a bulletproof reliability vehicle.

Throw 1500 HP at it and/or run a Baja race & see if it's bulletproof lol

[Sedoy]

Can anyone explain to me what's the point of Toyota's 2.4L turbo i-FORCE MAX hybrid powertrain? The gas consumption is the same as the non-hybrid BMW i6 B58 in X5 or even X7, but slower, more complicated, takes more space, can't be plugged-in and requires premium gas. I do get old high MPG and slow 2.5L hybrids, but new i-FORCE MAX hybrid striggle to deliver any MPG improvements compared BMW I6s. Does this make any sense or we are just spoiled by awesome BMW powertrains? Maybe emissions, CAFE?
BTW, love the styling Tacoma/4Runner styling and physical controls.

[335i54n]

toyota hybrid philosophy is different with the trucks. the hybrid is the power up motor, not for more mpg (get a prius) but for more power. they focus more on qdr and the battery packs are meant to be cheaper and ez replace down the line. they may be less efficient (its a truck/work vs passenger) but 10x more durable, it be nice if they adopted 8hp

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Can anyone explain to me what's the point of Toyota's 2.4L turbo i-FORCE MAX hybrid powertrain? The gas consumption is the same as the non-hybrid BMW i6 B58 in X5 or even X7, but slower, more complicated, takes more space, can't be plugged-in and requires premium gas. I do get old high MPG and slow 2.5L hybrids, but new i-FORCE MAX hybrid striggle to deliver any MPG improvements compared BMW I6s. Does this make any sense or we are just spoiled by awesome BMW powertrains? Maybe emissions, CAFE?
BTW, love the styling Tacoma/4Runner styling and physical controls.

The point is torque. It's exactly what the high-revving V6 engines lacked.

I drove a 3.slow 4 runner extensively. Then the higher HP V6 engines starting coming along, much higher compression, much higher rev limits, etc. These were decent for a few years, especially when turbo tech was still extremely laggy and required revving up to 3K to build up any significant power. V8s were kind of the go-to back then, but they are big in the engine bay, heavy and take a lot of gas...at all times. Even as they pumped those V6s higher and higher, up to around 350 in some cars, they still never had the shove of a V8 or modern turbo car. The torque curve tells you all you need to know...it has to rev to 7K or whatever for peak and it's not flat. Now modern turbo engines make full torque around 1300-1500rpm, all the way up through their rev-range. The one in my ZR2 makes 430lb/ft of torque. This also gives cars a good shove down low, since they are making all that torque way WAY before the top of the rev range. Turbo lag with turbos now attached directly to the block where the exhaust manifold basically houses the turbine section, often with twin scrolls and other arrangements, is a thing of the past. Trans tunes and pedal response are different reasons why cars aren't "faster", but having a "normal" and "sport" setting allows them to get the mileage for the testing in the normal setting, and then that better response in the "sport", showing that there's no significant turbo lag.

Hybrid is another way to add torque, especially from 0mph. Again, these modern turbos make full torque at ridiculously low rpm compared to old 90s tech and before, but hybrid brings that to the next level.

Torque.

[Efthreeoh]

Yeah, thanks, but I'll keep my Gen 6 Bronco with its 2.3L EcoBoost 300 HP and 325 pounds of torque running through a manual transmission.

And the top comes off with just 8 bolts.

It's just a more interesting drive.

[BlkGS]

Looks killer, but I don't get how it's gonna work out with the Land Cruiser being like, basically the same. Same motors, I think they're the same size, just seems like they are basically the same vehicle.

[unluky]

Finally - maybe the last ones will stop being $50,000 10 years old with 80K on the clock. LMAO!

[W///]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Are you drunk?

Obviously he's not talking about driving dynamics, but in terms of reliability? All day long.

I had a 7 owner 1997 4Runner with over 300k miles and had been in a few accidents according to Carfax. As with all cars I buy, I go ahead and change all the fluids. Turns out the radiator and trans cooler is one unit and the fluids had mixed. When I drained the trans fluid, it looked like strawberry milkshake and I thought this trans was for sure dead.

Changed radiator (under $100), added new trans fluid and drove the car for years before I sold it for more or less same price.

So yea, I have a soft spot for Toyota trucks/SUVs.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

Throw 1500 HP at it and/or run a Baja race & see if it's bulletproof lol

Because it is made for that and intended to be used that way?

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yeah, thanks, but I'll keep my Gen 6 Bronco with its 2.3L EcoBoost 300 HP and 325 pounds of torque running through a manual transmission.

And the top comes off with just 8 bolts.

It's just a more interesting drive.

until it hits 40k miles and starts falling apart...just like my daughter's Christmas tree dash board 2019 Wrangler with 51k miles on it...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

until it hits 40k miles and starts falling apart...just like my daughter's Christmas tree dash board 2019 Wrangler with 51k miles on it...

Wait. Did Stellantis buy FoMoCo?

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

Because it is made for that and intended to be used that way?

Because we're car nuts?

[chassis]

Originally Posted by W///

Obviously he's not talking about driving dynamics, but in terms of reliability? All day long.

I had a 7 owner 1997 4Runner with over 300k miles and had been in a few accidents according to Carfax. As with all cars I buy, I go ahead and change all the fluids. Turns out the radiator and trans cooler is one unit and the fluids had mixed. When I drained the trans fluid, it looked like strawberry milkshake and I thought this trans was for sure dead.

Changed radiator (under $100), added new trans fluid and drove the car for years before I sold it for more or less same price.

So yea, I have a soft spot for Toyota trucks/SUVs.

Excellent 4Runner ownership story. And not uncommon.

[86Zed]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Can anyone explain to me what's the point of Toyota's 2.4L turbo i-FORCE MAX hybrid powertrain? The gas consumption is the same as the non-hybrid BMW i6 B58 in X5 or even X7, but slower, more complicated, takes more space, can't be plugged-in and requires premium gas.

The B58 is a monster of an engine with multiple personalities. We regularly average 28mpg on a tank and can simultaneously light the tires up with real speed in our X3.

Big fan of the rugged looks and reliability of these Toyotas, will be watching intently to see how the gearbox and infotainment setup are reviewed. A 3rd row would be nice in my life

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Wait. Did Stellantis buy FoMoCo?

Ah, I forgot, the Ford reliability record is Stellar!
What foes Fird stand for again??