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      01-13-2017, 01:27 PM   #23
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Good, keep the gas price down so I can drive my inline-6 engined car more.
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By the time I saved enough money to but an electric M car (assuming it'll be around $80k new). They have cars with no wheels....
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Good, keep the gas price down so I can drive my inline-6 engined car more.
Even when I have to pay $10/L for synthetic gas, I will still be driving my 1er.
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If we are being logical, it makes sense. How many people today still wish they had a horse and buggy? Some day very few will wish they had a manual V8 with four wheels because it's either, slow, unsafe, expensive to run or maintain or all of the above... Times are changing.

We all whine about things like sound but the performance and mileage continues to improve with electric. Plenty of NA M owners have jumped ship to Turbo M cars and don't care about the sound. If something truly is fun to drive then I will drive it. But let's face it, one day we won't be driving cars ourselves anymore and I think at that point very few will care what is under the hood let alone what sound it makes. It will be all about getting from A to B safely and efficiently. It reminds me of Will Smith in iRobot when he takes over his car manually and catches hell for it. Overriding autopilot may be something that an insurance company uses to void a claim. But now I'm on a tangent with autopilot instead of electric but they both are the future. I'm confident M will lubricate the transition as we go NA => Turbo => Hybrid => Electric

I'm excited and optimistic. But of course, I will always covet the E92 M3 and E60 M5

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If we are being logical, it makes sense. How many people today still wish they had a horse and buggy? Some day very few will wish they had a manual V8 with four wheels because it's either, slow, unsafe, expensive to run or maintain or all of the above... Times are changing.

We all whine about thinks like sound but the performance and mileage continues to improve with electric. Plenty of NA M owners have jumped ship to Turbo M cars and don't care about the sound. If something truly is fun to drive then I will drive it. But let's face it, one day we won't be driving cars ourselves anymore and I think at that point very few will care what is under the hood let alone what sound it makes. It will be all about getting from A to B safely and efficiently. It reminds me of Will Smith in iRobot when he takes over his car manually and catches hell for it. Overriding autopilot may be something that an insurance company uses to void a claim. But now I'm on a tangent with autopilot instead of electric but they both are the future. I'm confident M will lubricate the transition as we go NA => Turbo => Hybrid => Electric

I'm excited and optimistic. But of course, I will always covet the E92 M3 and E60 M5
100% agree. People here sound like luddites. Technological progress won't stop for you, either get with it or you will be left behind.
And if you are so in love with a v8 M3. Guess what buy a e92 M3 now and keep it forever.

My plan is to get an M2 or a slightly used e92 M3 and keep it forever as it will be one of the last great drivers cars. And it will sit quite well next to the 2030 Tesla Model 3 that might be in my garage.
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In the end I think BMW will b first for all electric and AMG will take more share for Driving Performance. BMW is shooting itself in the foot starting with the V8 cylinder after cylinder until there is no noise....
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The V8 Ms, especially the X5 & X6s will definitely benefit from at least a hybrid powertrain to at least improve MPG without sacrificing excitement. Pumping gas on those things gotta suck the time out of your life & gets played out quickly
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- BMW has made it clear that they are investing more on the I-division than the M-Division

Good decision in my opinion.
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My plan is to get an M2 or a slightly used e92 M3 and keep it forever as it will be one of the last great drivers cars. And it will sit quite well next to the 2030 Tesla Model 3 that might be in my garage.
That's my exact plan too! I have the M2 in the garage and my wife has a Nissan Leaf. Once the Model 3 comes out and the hype dies down, we will likely trade the leaf for the Tesla. It's the absolute ideal combination for our lifestyle and specific situation.

I love the roar of an IC engine as much as the next person on this forum, but I'm not sure why folks are all pissy about BMW's proclamation that the M will eventually go hybrid, then all electric. It's not like BMW is traveling sown that road for fun, or because we the buyers are demanding it. They are being legislated into it.
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Seriously, ever since i bought the i3, i cannot go back to diesel/petrol, itīs ancient stuff and the efficiency is nowhere close to the electric engine, nor is it any lag.
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I can see why you love electric cars.
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BMW has made it clear that they are investing more on the I-division than the M-Division

Good decision in my opinion.
i is the new M
Exactly! Germany, Europe's largest car market, is moving to ban the sale of petrol passenger cars in the next couple decades. If I were the CEO of BMW I'd be doing the same thing. Invest in the future, not the past. It's just a smart business move, no matter how mad the 0.01% of BMW buyers who make up 99% of this forum get about it.
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This is not a minute to soon, They need to adapt even faster to be at the fore front of technology development if BMW want to stay in the game at all.

Those of us who wan't to see BMW still around after 30 years when the restrictions get even harder for old tech to be around, We see this as great news, I hope BMW creates some brutal and awesome hybrids.

Imagine having an proper M with the hybrid tech that gets you to work and back without wasting a single dime then in the afternoon you release the full power of the beast on the road and in combination with the electric engine you get a hell of a kick.

Pure Internal Combustion engines is nothing but a waste of energy that doesn't get used to its full potential.

Keep up the good work BMW but you have to step up even faster to get at the fore front and stop being so afraid of implementing new tech in to your vehicles.
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I'm so looking forward to the hybrid M vehicles. Imagine a performance-hybrid M car like the 918? Basically an i8 handed to the M division and giving it triple the power? I'm looking forward to that. ?

I'm not looking forward as much to the ALL electric performance M vehicles though. It will still be great for the future but I'm not ready for all electric M cars quite as yet.
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100% agree. People here sound like luddites. Technological progress won't stop for you, either get with it or you will be left behind.
And if you are so in love with a v8 M3. Guess what buy a e92 M3 now and keep it forever.

My plan is to get an M2 or a slightly used e92 M3 and keep it forever as it will be one of the last great drivers cars. And it will sit quite well next to the 2030 Tesla Model 3 that might be in my garage.
Its not progress. Its different. Electric cars have been around for 100 yrs. The motors overheat after a couple pulls, the batteries take forever to charge, limited range, etc. Its not progress, its different. Gas has been and continues to be the superior technology. Electrics have their place. Hybrids to supplement gas, etc. Electrics were considered more viable when gas prices trippled under Obama due to him subsidizing them and cutting off 32% of the world's oil reserves. But now with trump bound to recind the subsidies, federal lands going to reopen, and gas prices certainly to plummet, the look less and less appealing. Many car makers bet big on hillary winning, global warming being validated, and the current oil and subsidies to continue. They lost. This trend is also going to continue throughout the world it looks like with brexit, Italy, France, etc. So this agenda is outdated by a year or more realisically is predated by decades.
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I'd like BMW M to define this a bit further....
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Love exhaust note, but can definitely live without it knowing it's just energy wasted in the form of sound instead of being used going forward...

It's a jump from burning molecules to moving electrons.
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Its not progress. Its different. Electric cars have been around for 100 yrs. The motors overheat after a couple pulls, the batteries take forever to charge, limited range, etc. Its not progress, its different. Gas has been and continues to be the superior technology. Electrics have their place. Hybrids to supplement gas, etc. Electrics were considered more viable when gas prices trippled under Obama due to him subsidizing them and cutting off 32% of the world's oil reserves. But now with trump bound to recind the subsidies, federal lands going to reopen, and gas prices certainly to plummet, the look less and less appealing. Many car makers bet big on hillary winning, global warming being validated, and the current oil and subsidies to continue. They lost. This trend is also going to continue throughout the world it looks like with brexit, Italy, France, etc. So this agenda is outdated by a year or more realisically is predated by decades.
You forget that BMW deals with the world and the U.S. isn't the center of it. Trump removing every EPA law we have won't change the strict CO2 limits that much of the world has in place or are being pushed. Then, the article is talking about somewhere in the future, not tomorrow, next year or even in 5 years.
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Its not progress. Its different. Electric cars have been around for 100 yrs. The motors overheat after a couple pulls, the batteries take forever to charge, limited range, etc. Its not progress, its different. Gas has been and continues to be the superior technology. Electrics have their place. Hybrids to supplement gas, etc. Electrics were considered more viable when gas prices trippled under Obama due to him subsidizing them and cutting off 32% of the world's oil reserves. But now with trump bound to recind the subsidies, federal lands going to reopen, and gas prices certainly to plummet, the look less and less appealing. Many car makers bet big on hillary winning, global warming being validated, and the current oil and subsidies to continue. They lost. This trend is also going to continue throughout the world it looks like with brexit, Italy, France, etc. So this agenda is outdated by a year or more realisically is predated by decades.
Gas is not some God sent wonder fuel. An electric motor is the basis of modern industry. They are everywhere in a modern industrial world. Your diesel locomotive also have electric motor which do the pulling and the diesel engine generate electricity at its narrow efficient rpm band
You should watch video of Rimac one vs Porsche spyder. It is Porsche Spyder which not only got overheated after repeated pulls of drag racing but also lost the race.
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Its not progress. Its different. Electric cars have been around for 100 yrs. The motors overheat after a couple pulls, the batteries take forever to charge, limited range, etc. Its not progress, its different. Gas has been and continues to be the superior technology. Electrics have their place. Hybrids to supplement gas, etc. Electrics were considered more viable when gas prices trippled under Obama due to him subsidizing them and cutting off 32% of the world's oil reserves. But now with trump bound to recind the subsidies, federal lands going to reopen, and gas prices certainly to plummet, the look less and less appealing. Many car makers bet big on hillary winning, global warming being validated, and the current oil and subsidies to continue. They lost. This trend is also going to continue throughout the world it looks like with brexit, Italy, France, etc. So this agenda is outdated by a year or more realisically is predated by decades.
You are comparing electric car technology of the past to what is coming in the near future. Its like comparing an iPhone to an iPhone 7, are you claiming there won't be any progress in battery cost/technology? Look at the gigafactory....

Additionally, electric cars are at a point where they won't need subsidies in the future, so there is nothing gov't can do about it. These cars are becoming more and more economically viable. Local Energy Storage + Electric cars are going to be a game changing technology in 10-20yrs.

And FYI Tesla is designed AND built in America, unlike a lot of BMWs and other companies' cars. This is a huge boost to American economy and jobs, Trump is going to support this 100%. Why do you think Elon Musk is on his manufacturing jobs advisory council?
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