Jon Gruden Fired/Resigned

[DenverSteve]

Well that was inevitable. After years of juvenile behavior from "Chucky", Gruden's true-nature comes out in his writing to others. I'll be surprised, but interested to hear, if anyone is surprised in the slightest. If I'm surprised, it's that it took this long for these to surface and the inevitable termination to occur. And, anyone who thinks this was a "gosh, I'm sorry....I'll step down"moment from Coach G is naive. I'm guessing they let him know they would be delivering the contents of his office to his home when they came to get the keys. Good riddance.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by DenverSteve

Well that was inevitable. After years of juvenile behavior from "Chucky", Gruden's true-nature comes out in his writing to others. I'll be surprised, but interested to hear, if anyone is surprised in the slightest. If I'm surprised, it's that it took this long for these to surface and the inevitable termination to occur. And, anyone who thinks this was a "gosh, I'm sorry....I'll step down"moment from Coach G is naive. I'm guessing they let him know they would be delivering the contents of his office to his home when they came to get the keys. Good riddance.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I take it you’re picking up stones?

[DenverSteve]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I take it you’re picking up stones?

Ha... Without sin, hardly. Without anything like this - absolutely. I guess you're condoning his emails/comments/behavior/position on these? Or, is it okay for just some of them? Misogynistic, Racist, Homophobic, Abusive... which is it that you can agree with???? Curious indeed.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by DenverSteve

Ha... Without sin, hardly. Without anything like this - absolutely. I guess you're condoning his emails/comments/behavior/position on these? Or, is it okay for just some of them? Misogynistic, Racist, Homophobic... which is it that you can agree with???? Curious indeed.

Id bet half my 401(k) and my second born child that you’ve used homophobic slurs in your life. I would bet 20% of my 401(k) and my M3 that you’ve used homophobic slurs in the last year alone. Don’t come back and say you have not because then I’ll just say you’re a liar.

[Patton250]

This is nothing more than cancel culture brought on by fake outraged liberals who go after conservatives. To say anything different is absolute BS. I was just watching Shannon Sharpe display his fake outrage on undisputed. Do you think for a second that man hasn’t used what is considered today is homophobic slurs? Give me a freaking break. Why we have let liberalism destroy the NFL along with everything else they’ve destroyed is beyond me. I was just happy to get through five games this season without the woke BS. Now the rest of the seasons probably going to be freaking trashed.

[DenverSteve]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Id bet half my 401(k) and my second born child that you’ve used homophobic slurs in your life. I would bet 20% of my 401(k) and my M3 that you’ve used homophobic slurs in the last year alone. Don’t come back and say you have not because then I’ll just say you’re a liar.

Listen, you can deflect all you want. You would lose your second born, your 401k and your M then. But I would sell you back your second born. I happen to have 2 brothers who are gay so I grew up knowing/seeing what issues LBGT.... have. One assuming others behave a certain inappropriate way is simply a way to justify one's own thoughts and behaviors. But, I will let you keep that remaining 30% of your retirement.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by DenverSteve

Listen, you can deflect all you want. You would lose your second born, your 401k and your M then. But I would sell you back your second born. I happen to have 2 brothers who are gay so I grew up knowing/seeing what issues LBGT.... have. One assuming others behave a certain inappropriate way is simply a way to justify one's own thoughts and behaviors. But, I will let you keep that remaining 30% of your retirement.

I stopped reading your post after your first sentence. You’re a liar.

[DenverSteve]

Originally Posted by Patton250

This is nothing more than cancel culture brought on by fake outraged liberals who go after conservatives.

How in the world do you (who obviously agree with Gruden) put HIS commentary on "fake outraged liberals", or anyone other than the perpetrator?

Originally Posted by Patton250

I was just watching Shannon Sharpe display his fake outrage on undisputed. Do you think for a second that man hasn’t used what is considered today is homophobic slurs? Give me a freaking break.

Now you're the expert on Mr. Sharpe? Once again, using your assumptions and deflections to veer from the behavior of Gruden?

Originally Posted by Patton250

.... we have let liberalism destroy the NFL along with everything else they’ve destroyed is beyond me. I was just happy to get through five games this season without the woke BS. Now the rest of the seasons probably going to be freaking trashed.

Liberalism? You are stating publicly that being anti-70% of the world (gays, minorities, women) is in any way acceptable and to be against it is overt liberalism and counter-culture. It took us years to find out about Gruden but only two posts from you. Thanks for the heads up.

[DenverSteve]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I stopped reading your post after your first sentence. You’re a liar.

Sorry, I didn't notice until now that you're from the state that overly discounts science, intelligence and respect for others. Apologies to any/all Floridians that disagree with Patton or that have regards for others.

[TiMSport]

Just ignore him. This is his MO. Baits you into stupid arguments over shit he has no clue about.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Just ignore him. This is his MO. Baits you into stupid arguments over shit he has no clue about.

Whatever.

I forgot all conservatives are stupid to you people. No need to be a hypocrite.

[ggunn9]

Can we just talk about the issues here?

He addressed/referred to a black man outside of his name.

He was/is against a gay player coming into the league.

He was against female referees.

A lot of his words sound like they are from a place of hate. He may not be a racist, but when I go to the lake and a bird floats on the water, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It may not be a duck, but I will assume it is s duck.

I believe once the words referring to D Smith came out he should have come out to say he may have said some hateful things in the past but he has changes his views on several issues.

I don't recall saying it, but I think I was against female refs in the beginning. I thought it would be a distraction from the game. It has not been that and I think women refs are a good thing for the league today.

Again let's simply talk about the issues. Not right or left. Simply the issues.

Is it ok to call your boss a pv$$y and a f@00ot in an email?

Is it ok to send what has been deemed as pornographic photos on your work email?

Is it ok to put down a football player for his sexuality?

Is it ok to be against the kneeling movement in the NFL? The NFL was against it int he beginning but has since come out to say they were wrong.

I may have used a few of the hateful words he used. I have never used them in an email definitely NOT my work email.

I think the point should be can we talk about the words and the issues. Is the NFL a hateful org? Is there a culture of hate or exclusion? How many NFL owners are not white males? How many team head coaches are not white males? Are they exclusing anyone?

Is the NFL really about inspiring change" or "ending racism" or are the simply slogans?


for the record-I watch NFL football and recently purchased season tickets to NFL games.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by DenverSteve

How in the world do you (who obviously agree with Gruden) put HIS commentary on "fake outraged liberals", or anyone other than the perpetrator?



Now you're the expert on Mr. Sharpe? Once again, using your assumptions and deflections to veer from the behavior of Gruden?




Liberalism? You are stating publicly that anti-70% of the world (gays, minorities, women) is in any way acceptable and to be against it is overt liberalism and counter-culture. It took us years to find out about Gruden but only two posts from you. Thanks for the heads up.

Off you go with the other blocked hypocritical lying liberals

[ggunn9]

Why are you all talking about liberals and conservatives? I thought this was about hate speech.

This is the same thing that happen to kneeling during the anthem. People made it about the kneeling. It was supposed to be about the treatment of minorities by Law Enforcement in the US.

[DenverSteve]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Just ignore him. This is his MO. Baits you into stupid arguments over shit he has no clue about.

Whew. I knew/know there will be defenders of Gruden (as that's anyone's right) but to condone the quantity/level/extent of Gruden's anti-human behavior publicly as "nothing more than cancel culture brought on by fake outraged liberals who go after conservatives. " is sad for him.
His first post "stones..." was an attempt at baiting. His subsequent posts were his (yes it couldn't be a woman ) agreement with, justification and defense of Gruden's statements.

Agreeing with ignorant intolerant people/behavior is absolutely okay, everyone has free-thought but to put any of this as "cancel culture brought on by fake outraged liberals who go after conservatives" is so humorous that I feel sorry for anyone having to be around him and listen to any other statements he might make on the subject. By Patton's statement, those who agree with him and Gruden are "conservatives". This alone should irritate conservatives as these aren't liberal or conservative comments - they are simply ignorant.

[BIGW0RM]

Who cares what he or anyone else says in private. If people don't act or talk like you want them too; then go find someone else to hang out with, watch on TV, or look up too. Its that simple. Liberals just cant get that through there thick heads.

And these type of baiting threads should be an instant ban. Another fine example of "lets stir the pot" liberal games.

[pikkagtr]

This is rich coming from the NFL
Which played the black national anthem at games and has criminals names on players jerseys
But do not even support the men and women in the service uniforms who keep the arenas safe for them to be able to hold such an event
Mr kettle meet Ms pot

[DenverSteve]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Who cares what he or anyone else says in private. If people don't act or talk like you want them too; then go find someone else to hang out with, watch on TV, or look up too. Its that simple. Liberals just cant get that through there thick heads.

And these type of baiting threads should be an instant ban. Another fine example of "lets stir the pot" liberal games.

Okay. I wouldn't know how to address anything in this (I guess you could call it a) paragraph.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by DenverSteve

Okay. I wouldn't know how to address anything in this (I guess you could call it a) paragraph.

I call it an embarrassing attempt at writing sentences in English.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

Why are you all talking about liberals and conservatives? I thought this was about hate speech.

This is the same thing that happen to kneeling during the anthem. People made it about the kneeling. It was supposed to be about the treatment of minorities by Law Enforcement in the US.

I can answer that for you. Let me give you the proper definition of hate speech

Hate speech = A people or person that has the audacity to disagree with a liberal

There you go. It really is this simple. Now I’ll drop out of this thread because these threads have a tendency to cause me to block lots of people. It’s already had one victim.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Whatever.

I forgot all conservatives are stupid to you people. No need to be a hypocrite.

First of all, I don't know why the hell you constantly turn everything into conservatives v. liberals. Not once have I mentioned anything related to conservatives nor was I calling anyone stupid. You seriously need to seek help. BTW, I stated a fact.

The butthurt is deep in you.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Hate speech = A people or person that has the audacity to disagree with a liberal

And you wonder why people might, just might think you're stupid. The notion that so-called "conservatives" don't engage in hate speech is beyond words. As I stated in the other post, you've got issues. Not everything is Left or Right but apparently in your narrow minded view, it is.