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      01-25-2017, 08:34 AM   #23
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The number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has been pretty steady over the last 10 years at around 11 million and has actually gone down over the last 6. The best way to stop Mexican's from coming here illegally is to give them good job prospects in their own country, ironically the opposite action we are proposing with high tariffs on goods from their country.
Or in our case, have a crappy US economy.

Can't come here for jobs if there aren't any to begin with.

You're welcome America, just solved your illegal immigration problem.
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Or in our case, have a crappy US economy.

Can't come here for jobs if there aren't any to begin with.

You're welcome America, just solved your illegal immigration problem.


Multiple ways to solve the problem and actually the Mexican economy has been improving which is part of the reason the number of illegals here has dropped.

So we have 3 options, Mexican economy keeps improving so they don't want to come here, U.S. sucks so bad they don't want to come here or we build a huge wall that will stop some but not all. I think the idea of trying to suck is a bad one.

Anyone really believe that the wall will completely stop the problem? Drugs are currently coming by tunnel, some magical reason people can't come through the same tunnels? Does making a wall 40' high change how they build the tunnel or is the tunnel roughly the same regardless of the height of the wall?
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The number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has been pretty steady over the last 10 years at around 11 million and has actually gone down over the last 6. The best way to stop Mexican's from coming here illegally is to give them good job prospects in their own country, ironically the opposite action we are proposing with high tariffs on goods from their country.
I used to think the same, but I don't think the numbers add up and not all are 1) coming from Mexico and no the Mexican gov will not give them jobs
2) leaving due to unemployment
3) the factory will not employ millions

I wish it was that simple because you would be on to something.
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Multiple ways to solve the problem and actually the Mexican economy has been improving which is part of the reason the number of illegals here has dropped.

So we have 3 options, Mexican economy keeps improving so they don't want to come here, U.S. sucks so bad they don't want to come here or we build a huge wall that will stop some but not all. I think the idea of trying to suck is a bad one.

Anyone really believe that the wall will completely stop the problem? Drugs are currently coming by tunnel, some magical reason people can't come through the same tunnels? Does making a wall 40' high change how they build the tunnel or is the tunnel roughly the same regardless of the height of the wall?
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I solved it make it a high rise highway with a solid fondation so if anyone try to go over they risk getting struck by a high speed car. A wall plus better highway system for all. Since it a highway that will give states incentive to keep officer for speeding and other traffic violations and maintaince the wall/road.
I've always thought we could put the wall a couple thousand yards within the US border, then use the land on the other side as a shooting range. Rent out time to recreational shooters looking for a more 'dynamic' target than they can get shooting at paper.

We wouldn't need to hire guards, and the revenue from selling 'range time' would pay for any maintenance!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/restauran...--finance.html

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Multiple ways to solve the problem and actually the Mexican economy has been improving which is part of the reason the number of illegals here has dropped.

So we have 3 options, Mexican economy keeps improving so they don't want to come here, U.S. sucks so bad they don't want to come here or we build a huge wall that will stop some but not all. I think the idea of trying to suck is a bad one.

Anyone really believe that the wall will completely stop the problem? Drugs are currently coming by tunnel, some magical reason people can't come through the same tunnels? Does making a wall 40' high change how they build the tunnel or is the tunnel roughly the same regardless of the height of the wall?
Google Mexico Guatemala border.
Mexico is a disaster and will be as long as cartels and officials run the dirt trucks. Good luck seeing change in either during your lifetime.

My bottom line:
A wall would slow but never stop the flow. There would always be cracks. But aren't a few cracks better than no hindrance other than what's in place now?

It's a huge problem.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/restauran...--finance.html

I'm going to declare a no-money-necessary zone around myself that has a 6 meter radius. Anything in that radius may be procured by yours truly without payment to the former owners of said materials.

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Not me, somebody gonna bust a cap in your ass!
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This is what's up now:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/restauran...--finance.html

I'm going to declare a no-money-necessary zone around myself that has a 6 meter radius. Anything in that radius may be procured by yours truly without payment to the former owners of said materials.

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Let me make sure I read that right.
Some restaurant owners are going to put signs in their windows notifying anyone who can read that illegal immigrants are employed within?
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Let me make sure I read that right.
Some restaurant owners are going to put signs in their windows notifying anyone who can read that illegal immigrants are employed within?
And training said illegals on what to say if immigration authorities confront them. The restaurants want cheap labor and are going down this route to keep it while attempting to be seen as saviors. Disgusting.
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Google Mexico Guatemala border.
Mexico is a disaster and will be as long as cartels and officials run the dirt trucks. Good luck seeing change in either during your lifetime.

My bottom line:
A wall would slow but never stop the flow. There would always be cracks. But aren't a few cracks better than no hindrance other than what's in place now?

It's a huge problem.
When you say Mexico is a disaster, this is the same country that are taking all of our jobs? Half the time it is a horrible place the rest of the time all manufacturing is headed there? Which is it?

The net flow of illegals is close to zero now and has been for some amount of years. Or if it starts to grow at a slow rate you have to decide if a $10-$20 billion dollar wall and the maintenance and other costs are worth the money. Like any other investment, does the cost justify what it accomplishes? Doesn't seem like anyone, including Trump has explained how these numbers make sense.
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I'm not sure where someone is getting information that the Mexican economy is improving because it has been stagnant at best for the past 3 years and since Trump one and the Pesos has been tanking. Now the Mexican government deregulated gasoline and the price jumped 20% causing riots all over the place.
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I wonder how many of these people that want the wall check when a roofing, landscaping, construction, maid service is doing work for them and try to verify that no illegals will be doing the work.

You want to stop illegal immigration make it a huge fine and/or jail time to knowingly hire them. Yes many illegals come up with fake identification cards but many others are knowingly hired when the business owner knows they are illegal. If the jobs are eliminated or very scarce they won't come here.
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When you say Mexico is a disaster, this is the same country that are taking all of our jobs? Half the time it is a horrible place the rest of the time all manufacturing is headed there? Which is it?

The net flow of illegals is close to zero now and has been for some amount of years. Or if it starts to grow at a slow rate you have to decide if a $10-$20 billion dollar wall and the maintenance and other costs are worth the money. Like any other investment, does the cost justify what it accomplishes? Doesn't seem like anyone, including Trump has explained how these numbers make sense.
Net flow is near zero, what is your source for this data point? Just asking, not saying its not true.
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When you say Mexico is a disaster, this is the same country that are taking all of our jobs? Half the time it is a horrible place the rest of the time all manufacturing is headed there? Which is it?

The net flow of illegals is close to zero now and has been for some amount of years. Or if it starts to grow at a slow rate you have to decide if a $10-$20 billion dollar wall and the maintenance and other costs are worth the money. Like any other investment, does the cost justify what it accomplishes? Doesn't seem like anyone, including Trump has explained how these numbers make sense.
What does building plants have to do with massive corruption and people wanting to get the hell out of there?
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I think the wall is going to have to be significantly taller.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...ants-come-air/
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You want to stop illegal immigration make it a huge fine and/or jail time to knowingly hire them. Yes many illegals come up with fake identification cards but many others are knowingly hired when the business owner knows they are illegal. If the jobs are eliminated or very scarce they won't come here.
This is the real solution.
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Net flow is near zero, what is your source for this data point? Just asking, not saying its not true.
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What does building plants have to do with massive corruption and people wanting the hell out of there?
Because companies don't build multi billion dollar plants in places they can't do business with and everyone wants to get the hell out of there. Source for anything?

One minute they are taking all of our jobs and the next it is a horrible, corrupt place where everyone wants to leave?
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