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      11-13-2015, 09:46 PM   #23
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I don't think these are fair assumptions to make. These refugees are people fleeing in search of a better life, and better opportunities. Lets not be to quick to cast judgement on people who literally had to leave everything behind or else face death.

Also we are educated here, lets refrain from saying things such as "religious war, and civil war." This type of thinking does nothing but spread fear in people and promotes hatred toward another religion and or conflict between religions.

My heart goes out to all those effected by the horrific events tonight.
As I agree with you on many of the points that you are making I really hope that the people we bring into our country are subject to some sort of background check. The initial plan seems to call for 40k with up to 200k total. Even at 1% turning out to be anti American if you will, ends up being 2000 people. As I originally stated, might just be something we need to really think hard about.
The countries where many of these are coming from don't have data from which to conduct background checks. So no, there is no vetting process.
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Germany and England are next. Only a matter of time. We don't need to put ourselves in the cross hairs to prove we're good guys. And before all you liberal BS assholes get your panties in a bunch, I'm not saying round up all the Arabs in the US lIke we dId the japanese in ww2. Just the ones here illegally. Increase the fbi by thousands to monitor the ones we need to but aren't monitoring. And then wage massive rapid total overwhelming war on radical islamists in the middle east. This includes the freaks in Iran who want a nuke and are oppressing 90% of iranians, the groups in africa, etc. All of them. Don't think this is a good idea? Ask yourself how magnanimous you'll feel when some of these refugees turn out to be terrorists and your holding the bloody corpse of your child that was killed during their attack on Disney world and see if you feel the same way. We bring them here, that will be somebody's reality and if you're for bringing them you share the guilt of what happens.

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Uh, lets go ahead and bring 200k refugees from the mid e conflict in over here to middle America. What could possibly go wrong?? Might want to rethink me thinks.
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I don't think these are fair assumptions to make. These refugees are people fleeing in search of a better life, and better opportunities. Lets not be to quick to cast judgement on people who literally had to leave everything behind or else face death.

Also we are educated here, lets refrain from saying things such as "religious war, and civil war." This type of thinking does nothing but spread fear in people and promotes hatred toward another religion and or conflict between religions.

My heart goes out to all those effected by the horrific events tonight.
Are they fleeing for a better life?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2600...robert-spencer

Don't make that assumption. While that could be a reason, there are also:

- Hijrah, or "Jihad (takeover) by immigration,
- They have nothing to lose where they are coming from,
- Laziness,
- They want what you have,
- They don't want to fix their own country,
- They are fleeing the law.

In watching videos of the immigrants flowing into Europe these last months, it looks like they are over 90% single men between 15 and 45. Why are they not fighting for their own country? There's also a fearsome sense of entitlement, and opinion on how the Europeans "ought to be treating them."

Euro politicians have learned that they people who get elected are the ones that give out the most freebies - it's understandable that they have thrown their doors wide open. I hope we learn that lesson in time to save ourselves.
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      11-13-2015, 10:10 PM   #26
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Even the liberal socialist president of France gets it. A war against them that is pitiless. Why are our liberals such pussies? I guess the old saying a Republican is a Democrat that's been mugged still holds water. And until we're hit hard again, they won't feel mugged. Sad if it's going to take another massive attack to wake us up.
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It's the Mizzou/ BLM people....They don't like the French. The "insider" DeRay said that....
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They said on the isis website French blood is sweet but American is sweeter and they will taste it soon.
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Prayers for Paris. May we stand united and defeat this enemy before this sting turns into an infection. We have seen that pulling out of the region does nothing to slow their hatred for us. Now let's bring the big dogs out and not sit and wait for them to attack us first. Right now, there are Americans that have a limited amount of time on this planet due to this group. It could be any of us here, who's life is taken away for no reason. Kill it, kill it now.
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Bettet just move to some old mill town with a population less than 1k people in the middle of nowhere in northern parts of this world before it's too late.

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I hate EU from their standingpoint, I hate the words Angela Merkel said a few weeks ago.

I hate that idiology.

I don't want any refugees anymore entering our and our neighbouring countries.
This must stop. Let those religious idiots stay where they were born/brought up. EU doesn't want medieval thinking and religions.


RIP to all the victims.



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First the German National Football team thought the attacks were against them, tonight they stayed in Stade France , being afraid(logically) of more assaults...France vs Germany was played yesterday. Hollande was there watching...

I't wasn't about them the players...

I've been to Paris >10 times the last 30 years and though we always stayed in a 'small' Hotel Eugenie @ Rue St Andre des Arts. (fantastic people) literally about 200 metres stonethrow from Notre Dame, the last couple of years we stayed in IBIS Bastille 3 times. April 2013 last time.

@ Google maps I just saw Theatre Bataclan where they emptied their AK47 on the about 1000 people there, is situated only 300metres(yards) from 'our' Hotel...

This is so bad for EU economy/Paris tourism as well. My wife doesn't want to go in spring for a long weekend anymore she says...

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I am scratching my head.
This was a coordinated attack that took some planning, obviously.
No chatter picked up by ANYONE?
I just can't accept that.

If this tragedy doesn't bring out the hounds from hell in regards to full on attack mode then something is afoul.


"ISIS is contained"
obama speaking earlier in the day.

We have an ill advised knucklehead protecting us and the world.
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If were really going to talk cause and effect, we've been pulling in and out, feigning, conducting covert ops, toppling governments in favor of "lesser of two evils," and conducting all out resource driven war in the region for over 35 years.

It's no excuse for what happened, but this is why the fundamentalists hate the west. It is not truly a "Religious War" as it's made out to be, it's a an entire generation who grew up in a war torn region where the USA and it's allies flip sides and turncoat at the drop of a hat or pull out of a conflict before an area is secure and let it fall back into the hands of the scummiest people on earth.

Now these attacks are attrocious, but I dont support going back into those piss hole countries any more after them. . . In my eyes they are a retaliation to the corporate war machine mentality we've had in the past, and continuing down the path that has led to this and hasn't gotten any better is not the answer. We cut off the supply lines for the jihadist factions and then provide aid to the rest of the population which the evildoers promptly steal and take by force, and in the end we supply the terrorist groups while the rest of the people starve.

Now I'm not here to just bash Western Aggro Policy. . .I'm ALL FOR kicking out illegal aliens from war torn parts of the world and staunching the flow of more, as well as really probing deeper into ISIS and terrorism intelligence ops. I'm also all for bringing back profiling in airports etc, because there is an archetype that commits these types of attacks.

If you don't like it then feel free to bitch and moan about it or go back to where you came from. . . I'm sure you'll agree a minor security hassle is better then the hell that you fled from in the first place.

It's not your fault that you're from the region and you have the same genotype and belief system, and it's not our problem that accordingly you are subject to additional screenings for the safety of us all.
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Sorry France. Obama has much to answer for with these attacks.
He pulled us out of Ia pacified raq leaving a powervacuum filled by isis.


Isis grew in power and started killing everyone with different beliefs.

Christian and progressive Muslims fled isis into Europe.

Isis infiltrated these refugees bragging they were going to.

Now they kill all these people. Who knows how many more are throughout Europe.

And Obama and Kerry want to bring 30,000 of the refugees here putting them in your town.

Wtf! Hope you're happy with all this hope and change.

I hope that the western world has finally woken up. I hope we finally have the resolve to exterminate with the most extreme measures all muslin radical fundamentalists and we can help them meet their 40 virgins and Allah ASAP.

A college in Minneapolis today was reported to have shot down having an annual 9/11 remembrance because the students, who were in kindergarten when it happened, thought it would be offensive to Muslims. Well doing that is offensive to me. Someone who was there and lost 2 dear friends that day.
Maybe the American people have much to answer for ISIS, using your logic. The majority voted for Obama and if i recall, Obama promised he was going to pull the troops out of Iraq and bring Obama care.
It was no secret, he ran on that...

You think we should have left the US troops in Iraq forever since the Shiite marginalize the Sunis causing the sectarian tensions and wont fight to unify Iraq.

Iraq was never pacified, don't kid yourself.
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Holy bleeding heart naivety.
Of course 99% are exactly what you said.
Of course Obama leaving Iraq for political points just like he wants to close gitmo now is the root cause for the rise of isis.
Of course he has blood on his hands.

But that doesn't mean we need to be stupid too like Europe has been and import the 1% who are terrorists. We owe these people zero. Sorry. You should have stayed and died fighting these assholes.

Let them rot on the Syrian border.

And an educated man is one who is intelligent enough to know who his enemy is, brave enough to stand up and say who he is, strong enough to do something about it, and resolved enough to do it. We need to EXTERMINATE Muslim fundamentalists. They are trying to do this to us. Stop acting like a jew in a nazi ghetto saying if we only reason with them they will leave us alone and we can sing kum-bai-yah with them. They believe God has told them we must convert or die and dying is a good thing for them as they will be rewarded by God for killing us first. You can't negotiate with that. It needs to be killed like the evil beast it is. And sorry. I feel for these people, but there is zero reason to import them here knowing with 100% certainty we will also import a Paris incident in the US with them. Send in our ground forces in massive strength. Set up a safe zone there for refugees, then March through iraq, iran, afghanistan, and the hills of Pakistan clearing every terrorist like we did falluja.

Have the FBI, MI-5, and the other federal police agencies of the western world eject all potential Muslim threats from our borders. Build a strong border so they can't come here. Stop issuing visas to Muslims for a year. Round up all the ones who have over stayed their visas and jail or eject them. Don't worry about stepping on toes. Too bad.

Only then will this end.
You need to stop listening to idiots like Hannity. We had troops in Iraq in 2004 up to 2011.

March 11 2004, Madrid train bombings, 191 killed, over 1,500 wounded, Bush was in office.

July 28 2004, Baqubah bombing, Iraq, 68 killed

October 7 2004, Sinai bomb attacks, Egypt, 34 killed over 150 wounded.

July 7 2005, London bombings, 52 killed.

July 23 2005, Sharm El Sheik Egypt, around 80 killed.

Amman bombing, Jordan 2005 over 64 killed

August 14, 2007 –Qahtaniya bombings. Four suicide vehicle bombings in two predominantly Yazidi towns in northern Iraq. 796 killed, 1,562 wounded. Again in what you called "pacified Iraq"

January 20 2009 Obama is sworn in...

Pretty pathetic to use such a tragedy to advance your petty political agenda.
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Maybe the American people have much to answer for ISIS, using your logic. The majority voted for Obama and if i recall, Obama promised he was going to pull the troops out of Iraq and bring Obama care.
It was no secret, he ran on that...

You think we should have left the US troops in Iraq forever since the Shiite marginalize the Sunis causing the sectarian tensions and wont fight to unify Iraq.

Iraq was never pacified, don't kid yourself.
I agree with this. Obama is an idiot and the US population were idiots for supporting him. He was elected with a 1% margin in popular vote both times. BUT his poularity in Europe is off the charts, or has been. He's a dedicated socialist, pacifist, and pushes the farce of global warming. Heck you guys gave him the Nobel Peace prize and he hadn't done anything at all. Now hillary Clinton, the secretary of state who was in charge of the foreign policy that made us withdraw is up for Obama presidency part 3. Let's see how this stupidity plays out.
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And the try to call all us Europeans who are against taking in the fucking Muslim horde a bunch of right wing fascists. Thank you, last night out point was proven. Fuck these people and keep them and their alien culture the fuck out of Europe.
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You need to stop listening to idiots like Hannity. We had troops in Iraq in 2004 up to 2011.

March 11 2004, Madrid train bombings, 191 killed, over 1,500 wounded, Bush was in office.

July 28 2004, Baqubah bombing, Iraq, 68 killed

October 7 2004, Sinai bomb attacks, Egypt, 34 killed over 150 wounded.

July 7 2005, London bombings, 52 killed.

July 23 2005, Sharm El Sheik Egypt, around 80 killed.

Amman bombing, Jordan 2005 over 64 killed

August 14, 2007 –Qahtaniya bombings. Four suicide vehicle bombings in two predominantly Yazidi towns in northern Iraq. 796 killed, 1,562 wounded. Again in what you called "pacified Iraq"

January 20 2009 Obama is sworn in...

Pretty pathetic to use such a tragedy to advance your petty political agenda.
What's your point? That was AL queda. Isis didn't exist.
During that time AL queda was all around and bush was killing it. It's still alive and trying to recover now. But it was pretty much stamped out to a smolderIng cinder by the time Obama took office. Isis didn't exist. They came around through Obama apology tour, which led to the Arab spring, which allowed them to rise in syria, then Obama pull out of Iraq which allowed it to collapse to isis, which led to this. Bush has Islamic fundamentalists on the ground bleeding. Obama gave them a glass of water and a blood transfusion.

My political agenda is to get someone in the white house with a pair of balls who will kill these assholes. Hillary doesn't have balls literally and figuratively.
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Tragic. I feel that these terrorist have poked too many countries - US, French, Russia etc. Now, a true coalition against ISIS may be able to create change in the middle east.
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Tragic. I feel that these terrorist have poked too many countries - US, French, Russia etc. Now, a true coalition against ISIS may be able to create change in the middle east.
Yup. This is my hope.
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The thing is what is is doesn't get is that Americans don't get scared when they get terrorized, they get angry and they get even. They don't hide under a table. The grab grand dad's shotgun off the mantle.

Now they poked putin, paris, and give us a year to get this pussy in chief out of office, they're done.
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What's your point? That was AL queda. Isis didn't exist.
During that time AL queda was all around and bush was killing it. It's still alive and trying to recover now. But it was pretty much stamped out to a smolderIng cinder by the time Obama took office. Isis didn't exist. They came around through Obama apology tour, which led to the Arab spring, which allowed them to rise in syria, then Obama pull out of Iraq which allowed it to collapse to isis, which led to this. Bush has Islamic fundamentalists on the ground bleeding. Obama gave them a glass of water and a blood transfusion.

My political agenda is to get someone in the white house with a pair of balls who will kill these assholes. Hillary doesn't have balls literally and figuratively.
We lost over 4,000 troops in Iraq, countless wounded. ISIS was created as a result of our intervention in Iraq and fought us in Iraq under the name al qaeda in Iraq and have had safe heaven in Syria as well.
Suggesting ISIS would've stopped to exist if we didn't pull the troops out is just dumb.

Now all the Islamic nuts out there claim to be ISIS, at one point they all claimed to be al qeada.

Using your warped logic Bush has blood on his hands not Obama. ISIS is the renamed al qaeda in Iraq, same leadership, command structure.

Using your reasoning, The Madrid and London's bombings werent Bush's fault bc we had the troops in Iraq but the Paris attacks is Obama's fault because he pulled the troops out of Iraq.
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