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      11-03-2017, 04:58 PM   #881
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Here's another really funny read if anyone has a couple minutes.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8035401.html
Racist, bigoted? Doesn't matter. It's childish behavior and Trump behaves likes a child. If Trump supporters can't see that, then they are either:

1) Turning a blind eye for their own self-interest

2) They are accepting abhorrent behavior for what they believe does not outweigh what good things Trump will do/does do/might do for our country.

3) They are ignorant

4) They are themselves falling into a childish mentality for various reasons.

It's one of those, a combination of one more more, or a slight variation of one of those. Each one of those comes at a price, the most notable being integrity.
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Maybe if she actually was a Native American that would actually matter, but she's not. He's making fun of her for claiming to be something she isn't.
Confirmation bias is never obvious to those that want believe her "family stories" or her claim of 1/32nd Cherokee, which wouldn't even admit her into the Cherokee Nation, since it doesn't meet the 1/16th minimum.
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Racist, bigoted? Doesn't matter. It's childish behavior and Trump behaves likes a child. If Trump supporters can't see that, then they are either:

1) Turning a blind eye for their own self-interest

2) They are accepting abhorrent behavior for what they believe does not outweigh what good things Trump will do/does do/might do for our country.

3) They are ignorant

4) They are themselves falling into a childish mentality for various reasons.

It's one of those, a combination of one more more, or a slight variation of one of those. Each one of those comes at a price, the most notable being integrity.
I'm pretty sure over 50% of Americans are females.

Yeah.

If you were a female, how would you see, "see" this mess?
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How would you know this? Did mommy catch you jerking off to some Big Foot porn ?
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Except that isn’t how it works in reality. Collusion is a big topic and almost all companies pay the lowest “market” rate they can.
It depends on the sector. In a skilled market like Informatics, companies are in bidding wars to draw talent.

If all you're doing is emptying fries into a basket, I'll guarantee you'll be in the lowest pay scale.
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I don’t, ‘Merica! My wife does though so she is an evil capitalist pig like the rest of you guys.
Your playtoy GT350 is pretty special. How many $15 hours did you have to work to save up for that puppy?
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It depends on the sector. In a skilled market like Informatics, companies are in bidding wars to draw talent.

If all you're doing is emptying fries into a basket, I'll guarantee you'll be in the lowest pay scale.
I'm sure there is and kudos to the people that have worked hard to get in a position like that.

I agree.

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Your playtoy GT350 is pretty special. How many $15 hours did you have to work to save up for that puppy?
It was given to me as part of a government program paid for by a special tax on BMW owners.
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Maybe if she actually was a Native American that would actually matter, but she's not. He's making fun of her for claiming to be something she isn't.
Let's do a hypothetical. I say I'm black, you then call me the N-Word. Turns out, I'm a white guy form Encino. Is your usage of the N-word acceptable, or is it still a racial slur?
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It was given to me as part of a government program paid for by a special tax on BMW owners.
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Let's do a hypothetical. I say I'm black, you then call me the N-Word. Turns out, I'm a white guy form Encino. Is your usage of the N-word acceptable, or is it still a racial slur?
What if fravel is black? Does it make it less of a racial slur because of context or is the word alone a slur, regardless.
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The problem is that the top management is the one receiving these benefits while the vast majority of the company (like many others) is giving squat to the rest of the employees. I have a bit of insider knowledge of this.

Also when a company does poorly shock of all shocks they still get massive bonuses most of the time. Even during the 08 financial crisis. Did anybody get charged, nope (except for one poor bastard that really had nothing to do with it). Not only did they not get charged and they got bonuses, they got the taxpayers pay for a bunch of it while thousands of people's lives were ruined financially.

Is the management the only people that contributed to a company's success, I'd say no. And sadly the data doesn't lie about what has been happening for the last three decades.

So if companies are more profitable why are they not sharing it with the rest of their employees? This would be reflected in the other data.
OK, so you are the CEO of Wells Fargo. You are responsible for $88B in revenue and 286,000 employees. Let's say for the sake of argument that 200,000 of those employees are front line, lower paid, workers. How much do you want to give each of them to help with wage disparity? An extra $25k per year would go a long way, eh? Oops, you just spent $50B. 2/3 of your revenue. Well that aint going to fly.

As for recessions, you are clearly smart enough to know that they come and go. They don't last forever. If you dramatically cut or eliminate compensation for your star management team because of temporary economic factors you lose them. Now you are CEO of an $88B company with no top talent to help you run it. That's not going to fly either.

I totally get what you are saying about income inequality but is the answer really to cut the pay of the few up top who are responsible for steering the company and dramatically increasing the income of the front line workers? That may make good social sense but it does not pencil out from a business perspective.
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What if fravel is black? Does it make it less of a racial slur because of context or is the word alone a slur, regardless.
I think it has a lot to do with the intention of the way something is said. And to bring this back to President Trump using this to talk about a US Senator. His statement on twitter suing the term he did shows a lot about him as a person. And it also shows a lot about a person who defends his (Trump's) actions.

edit: And as someone that is 1/16th Choctaw, I am actually rather offended that he'd utter these words. It's obvious he was trying to use this term in a derogatory fashion, not some simple slip fo the tongue. He knew what he was doing.
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OK, so you are the CEO of Wells Fargo. You are responsible for $88B in revenue and 286,000 employees. Let's say for the sake of argument that 200,000 of those employees are front line, lower paid, workers. How much do you want to give each of them to help with wage disparity? An extra $25k per year would go a long way, eh? Oops, you just spent $50B. 2/3 of your revenue. Well that aint going to fly.

As for recessions, you are clearly smart enough to know that they come and go. They don't last forever. If you dramatically cut or eliminate compensation for your star management team because of temporary economic factors you lose them. Now you are CEO of an $88B company with no top talent to help you run it. That's not going to fly either.

I totally get what you are saying about income inequality but is the answer really to cut the pay of the few up top who are responsible for steering the company and dramatically increasing the income of the front line workers? That may make good social sense but it does not pencil out from a business perspective.
I'm not saying the top management shouldn't be paid extremely well, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the rest of the company (not just WF, but especially in their case) year after year like it has been for decades now. Their compensation relative to everything else and every metric is out of hand and getting worse. This is flat out greed which is bad (or will be) for all involved eventually.

The 08 recession/meltdown wasn't a normal recession. A bunch of companies did wage and hiring freezes plus obviously laid off a ton of workers. Guess whose income actually went up during that time frame?

We aren't going to agree on everything.
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I'm not saying the top management shouldn't be paid extremely well, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the rest of the company (not just WF, but especially in their case) year after year like it has been for decades now. Their compensation relative to everything else and every metric is out of hand and getting worse. This is flat out greed which is bad (or will be) for all involved eventually.

The 08 recession/meltdown wasn't a normal recession. A bunch of companies did wage and hiring freezes plus obviously laid off a ton of workers. Guess whose income actually went up during that time frame?

We aren't going to agree on everything.
I hear ya, but consider this: Executive compensation packages are very often calculated and budgeted for, completely independent of rank and file compensation budgets. It's typically not a "give to these guys at the expense of those guys" scenario. That's like saying Wells Fargo made the choice to open 100 new branches and to do that, they had to keep employee wages suppressed. Wells Fargo is simply making the decision to structure compensation in a way that may appear inequitable, but what they are not doing is taking 10,000 $100 bonuses out of the hands of their rank and file employees to give a $1M dollar bonus to some exec.

Yeah, my income shot up 50% during the recession. But it's not because my employer decided on a whim to pay me more. it's because i took a huge gamble, sold my house, quit my job, and moved 3,300 miles across to country to plant myself in a city I felt was poised for sustained growth.

Anyway, my point i that it's easy to point at differences in wages and say a company is paying the execs big bucks at the expense of everyone else and I just don't see it that way.
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Let's do a hypothetical. I say I'm black, you then call me the N-Word. Turns out, I'm a white guy form Encino. Is your usage of the N-word acceptable, or is it still a racial slur?
N-word is a different conversation entirely. The equivalent comparison would be if you claimed to black, got exposed as being a white guy and then everyone started calling you "Tyrone" to mock you.

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I think it has a lot to do with the intention of the way something is said. And to bring this back to President Trump using this to talk about a US Senator. His statement on twitter suing the term he did shows a lot about him as a person. And it also shows a lot about a person who defends his (Trump's) actions.

edit: And as someone that is 1/16th Choctaw, I am actually rather offended that he'd utter these words. It's obvious he was trying to use this term in a derogatory fashion, not some simple slip fo the tongue. He knew what he was doing.
Yeah and I'm 1/4 Native American (1/8 Black Foot and 1/8 Cherokee)... don't care at all.

'Pocahontas' isn't a derogatory term. It's a well-known name that is associated with a particular ethnicity.

Is it derogatory when people refer to white girls as "Becky" or "Karen"?
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N-word is a different conversation entirely. The equivalent comparison would be if you claimed to black, got exposed as being a white guy and then everyone started calling you "Tyrone" to mock you.



Yeah and I'm 1/4 Native American (1/8 Black Foot and 1/8 Cherokee)... don't care at all.

'Pocahontas' isn't a derogatory term. It's a well-known name that is associated with a particular ethnicity.

Is it derogatory when people refer to white girls as "Becky" or "Karen"?
Pocahontas was highly respected in both America and Europe. She became a legend. How could her name be derogatory
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Pocahontas was highly respected in both America and Europe. She became a legend. How could her name be derogatory
First you have to learn when the other side declares a word offensive that is all that matters. It works great since I have been telling people I know things they think or say are offensive to me, and get the dumb founded look and I say it does not mater if they think it is offensive it is what I believe. Try it some time.

Joe Biden said Obama was Articulate, and the left came out against Biden and said it was offensive to say Obama was Articulate since it assume someone who is black can not be articulate. Today you can never call a black person articulate.

Immediate Biden back paddle and had to explain himself. This is why the left hates Trump they can not shame him into acting how they want. Nothing works on this guy.

Also, I would not defend Warren she appears quite capability of defending herself against Trump she throws it right back.

Here is the issue with what Warren did, she used family stories to claim she fell into a special class which gave her a leg up on getting into the ivy league schools, guess what the schools did not require verification, all you had to do is self declare. You think this is one off thing, it is not, today people are doing those family heritage DNA tests and if the test show you have any minority genes that allows people to check the box on school applications are doing so and the school is not even verifying and those school claim these people in their stats.
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Here is the issue with what Warren did, she used family stories to claim she fell into a special class which gave her a leg up on getting into the ivy league schools, guess what the schools did not require verification, all you had to do is self declare. You think this is one off thing, it is not, today people are doing those family heritage DNA tests and if the test show you have any minority genes that allows people to check the box on school applications are doing so and the school is not even verifying and those school claim these people in their stats.
That's the thing I don't get. Nowadays to claim Native American you have to have a tribe ID card and have practically grown up on a reservation. I'd have loved to be able to take advantage of that part of my history but I couldn't, schools are definitely checking now.
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That's the thing I don't get. Nowadays to claim Native American you have to have a tribe ID card and have practically grown up on a reservation. I'd have loved to be able to take advantage of that part of my history but I couldn't, schools are definitely checking now.

You are correct some College caught on, and they do ask for the Tribe ID, but if your DNA says you have black or Hispanic in your background there is nothing stopping people from checking that box. Many schools are not verifying this is fact true. This is still ongoing and some schools are not motivated to change since they also get to check off they look at minority student and in some case accept them so they can say they have diverse background. Keep in mind this works if are the white guy with all the other criteria needed to get in the school but they will over look you since you are white.

I had a friend in college and he lived in Philly which is 60% black, and he use to check the minority box on application for Jobs in Philly he got called on it and he simply said in Philly being a white Scottish guy he was a minority. They did not find it funny.
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