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Going to have to pry the manual from my cold, dead hands.
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I haven't had 7/8 speed auto transmissions w/o ACC, but the autos that I've used from the same time period seem to be a lot less aggressive at downshifting to maintain speed based on cruise control speed or braking. I don't know if the ACC cars get additional logic or something, but I'd agree with the above. The only part I don't really like is starting in most non-sport modes seems to be in 2nd gear and then it's just too lazy, especially when trying to get into traffic when there's a gap, then it realizes you are asking for more and downshifts, which creates an even bigger delay. This varies by car, some it's not bad, some it's bad. But back to the general auto logic, it's impressive.
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The auto will always be favored. Not everyone who is driving a manual is constantly downshifting to the lowest gear to find that perfect powerband in case a gap presents itself. Some manual people could downshift one gear in anticipation of looking for a gap to pass but could still be one more gear too high in trying to expose that gap quick enough. I still don't see the advantage for a manual in these cases. I daily'ed a manual numerous times in the past. Autos are just too smart now. If you have a proper auto, it will downshift immediately and off you go.
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09-24-2022, 11:37 AM | #356 |
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No, because I don't start in second with my manual.
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Has nothing to do with that.
I'm saying if you constantly have to be in a lower gear to exploit gaps, it means there aren't many of them. Which means there's a higher flow of traffic. Which means you're not supposed to be driving aggressively anyway. And people thought tesla drivers are out of control "zipping in and out of traffic"? At least teslas have the immediate torque to exploit a gap instantly. A proper auto in real world driving is so superior when you actually want to talk about "defensive driving". This isn't the 90s or even the early or late 2000s when autos were fucking trash. They have advanced so much. That's why i said earlier i have more "fun" in my M3 because of the auto even though it's slower than my manual car. You have the combination of refinement, comfort, and speed with an auto in a performance car.
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You're not understanding. If you're constantly trying to find gaps, that means there's a lot of traffic, why would you need to have your engine scream at the highest RPM just so you can pick and choose your gaps? In the tri-state area, we call that "cat and mouse racing". An auto is the spur of the moment convenience. Oh look there's a gap, drop your right foot, the trans instantly downshifts and off you go. Not, oh wait, "downshift 3rd gear? Ok 3rd gear it is. No wait the car next to me is speeding up. The gap is closing faster than i thought, i should be in 2nd gear instead. Whoops, gap is closed. I'm stuck behind this slow driver now." An auto eliminates ALL guesswork. Doesn't matter how good you are at manual driving. There is always a delay whenever you're street driving a manual. Are you racing people in your daily commute?
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Once again, the chief proponent of the automatic in this thread uses traffic jams to support his choice. Blaaaah!
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I've been driving a manual for 40yrs and I'll always prefer it over any kind of auto. I know exactly where to be in the powerband and I never have a problem getting through a slot in traffic. No bogging down, and the only time I'm in the next higher gear is when the road is open in front of me and I have no plans of switching lanes. Come to think of it, maybe this is why I can't muster more than 16.5mpg lol.
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This is simply not understanding how to drive a manual. So for you, an automatic is definitely the correct decision. As you say, you don't have to think, just point the car and smash the gas pedal. That's how my wife drives btw.
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You guys must live in a world where you do not meet these scenarios. You guys are out driving in the sticks where you see one car per mile. So it's easy for you to do the chicken dance. I been there and done that for over 2 decades. Maybe manual driving is easier for some of you depending on where you live. I am simply stating the experiences you could run into, because of what i experienced. Doesn't matter how you slice it. An auto is still superior in daily driving conditions and the conditions i mentioned. If you're ok with doing that in your manual that's great. And i can't say you're wrong because i would be wrong saying that. But doesn't change the fact auto is still superior in those conditions regardless of what else you guys can say. And it doesn't even matter. Because the end argument is the manual being phased out. I guess that's my "victory" if i want to be a dick about it. But i won't, because i know there are a lot of you out there who really cherish this dead art. And i guess that's cool with me. #savethedeadart
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Future emission legislation is not achievable without hybrid elements, (any transmission type). MT with a clutch is not suitable for many of the driving assistance aids, now incorporated into vehicles. Even companies like Getrag are working on hybridized MT (including an e-clutch) to reduce emissions, (reduce mpg), be useable with driving assistance features like active sailing/coasting, emergency braking, active cruise control, etc., and hybrid drivetrains. To fully benefit from BMW's MHT (Mild Hybrid Technology) we need AT at the heart of it. |
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Right. Manual is also being phased out because performance cars are superior with auto (manuals are slower basically). Manual also achieves worse MPG. Manual also can not incorporate driver assistance (as you mentioned above). Manual can not have certain driver conveniences (like remote start). The list goes on and on. It's phased out, or almost to the point of being extinct, because it's old technology. Of course there will always be a few, a small percentage that still want it. Similar to those who still play nintendo games. Lots of people still play nintendo games yet we have incredible ultra real life graphics with PC gaming. Yet there are people who still play old ass nintendo games. Does that make nintendo games better? Of course not. But some people have the urge to feel nostalgic at times. And i'll admit i feel that way too. But never to the point where i have to argue and trying to pretend manual still has any advantage whatsoever in terms of driving.
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Worse MPG? How, in EPA testing which is always done in top-gear at 54-mph? How much more driver assistance do you need? Even my E82 had cruise and PDK. Remote start? Didn't BMW "rent" that to manual tranny cars by mistake? Who really needs it? Worst thing you can do to one of these is start it up cold and let it idle. Do you not have a garage? Grasping at straws to justify the fact that you have to live and commute in an environment that is simply hostile to cars—and driving enjoyment? |
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Of course it matters. What other argument would you guys have besides every fact i mentioned?
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Nothing like starting the car, where ever i am, especially at work since my car is usually parked on the 3rd level at work, which literally takes me about 6 minutes from the time i clock out, say goodbye to my co-workers, even give a little friendly kiss to one of my best buddies at work, who's married but i don't give a shit because she's cool as hell. Yeah those 6 minutes of having the car nice and toasty (or cool in the summer) by the time i get to the car is always convenient. Don't say you don't want it, just because your car doesn't allow it since you probably leave your manual car in gear when parked lol. Quote:
Only thing i would give you is fun factor. You guys are just wrong if anyone says, "ONLY more fun", with a manual. Other than that, if you find manual more fun, then you find it more fun. I can't tell you otherwise. You enjoy it more, then you enjoy it more. I can't tell you otherwise. Other than that, your argument is toast. Just like manuals pretty soon as it's already almost there.
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Pretty sure cruise control is more than 15 years old.
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Can't you just admit that an automatic works for you because of your lifestyle? Are you so self-centered that you think everyone lives in your rat-race world? You know there is a wide world of beautiful countryside beyond your myopic range where people enjoy driving and the beautiful roads where the involvement of a manual transmission enhances the drive? We're not all stuck in commuter traffic on controlled-access highways. The question was "does anyone miss driving a manual transmission?". Not "are any you stuck in traffic missing your manual transmission?" |
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I miss driving a manual, traffic or not. I dont GAS about performance numbers or extra tech. I enjoy shifting myself and being in control of the car.
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