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      09-29-2021, 03:42 PM   #265
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as long as batteries will be onboard.. i give 0% it ll be back.. i hate about lift and coast as well but fuel saving techniques were in use before hybrid era as well.. yes a GP distance is not that short but when you add tire saving to the mix its even more annoying.. actually fuel saving can be good challenge tech-wise as well some time to time but tire saving.. is so annoying.. make things like a half endurance race..
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OK, I'll double down and take ANY TP over this clown. He should fired and throat punched...like A LOT!!!

Mostly I feel sorry for his team. I can't imagine a leader saying that garbage to me. I'd loose my $hit if you couldn't tell.
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as long as batteries will be onboard.. i give 0% it ll be back.. i hate about lift and coast as well but fuel saving techniques were in use before hybrid era as well.. yes a GP distance is not that short but when you add tire saving to the mix its even more annoying.. actually fuel saving can be good challenge tech-wise as well some time to time but tire saving.. is so annoying.. make things like a half endurance race..
Didn't we have refueling in the KERS era? I'm almost certain we did.

The thing I want with refueling isn't about fuel use but smaller and more nimble cars with a dash of uncertainty. This makes a more complex strategic formula and will return F1 to actual sprint racing. If I want to watch endurance racing with lift and coast, tire savings, and the rest of that foolishness, I'll watch WEC and other forms of racing which I enjoy for different reasons.

I don't want to see it in F1 as it dilutes the brand and devalues the drivers who are supposed to be the fastest drivers in the world. Because F1 is SPRINT Racing. Not mini-enduro challenge.
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OK, I'll double down and take ANY TP over this clown. He should fired and throat punched...like A LOT!!!

Mostly I feel sorry for his team. I can't imagine a leader saying that garbage to me. I'd loose my $hit if you couldn't tell.
Agreed. I saw him in Austin and he looks like Harry Potter with curly hair. He was a good car designer though he skated the rules a bit. As a TP he is TP...toilet paper.

He needs to go.

F1 needs a competitive Ferrari and a competitive McLaren. McLaren is coming back with Zac and his leadership. Ferrari is hopeless under Binotto.
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I agree with nearly everything here. My formula would be the following:

V8 or V10 with KERS.
Minimum weight back to 675KG
40KG of fuel with refueling brought back
No more cheese tires.

This would fix most of what is wrong with F1.
I nominate MKSixer to replace Ross Brawn!!!

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OK, I'll double down and take ANY TP over this clown. He should fired and throat punched...like A LOT!!!

Mostly I feel sorry for his team. I can't imagine a leader saying that garbage to me. I'd loose my $hit if you couldn't tell.
Binotto&Ferrari lost it since the ban of the Ferrari Jet-Mode ...
But as you know it wasn't according the FIA regulations . Too bad !
Binotto was pushing it enough , but he can't help it that the Ferrari engine development is stuck .
Of course the Ferrari PU needs more ponies . But the million dollar question is : How to get it ?
Where to find it ?
How to make it faster ?

Ferrari got their engine upgrade last weekend at Sochi , it pushed 15 HP more . But that's not enough to beat MAX or HAM .
From what I heard Ferrari gave it up for this season and they throw now everything on the "Ferrari Superfast PU project 672"

The Ferrari engineers headed by "Enrico Gualtier" is responsible for the 2022 Ferrari 672 Superfast project .
Wolf Zimmermann, the German in charge of advanced projects is involved as well...

"The Ferrari 2022 F1 ground-effect car"
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I'm not tall enough! Ross is about 9 ft tall!

One of the funniest things in another F1 forum is the fact that some poster called him Ross Brown. It never ended from that moment, forward. This happened YEARS ago and it is still going strongly!!
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Binotto&Ferrari lost it since the ban of the Ferrari Jet-Mode ...
But as you know it wasn't according the FIA regulations . Too bad !
Binotto was pushing it enough , but he can't help it that the Ferrari engine development is stuck .
Of course the Ferrari PU needs more ponies . But the million dollar question is : How to get it ?
Where to find it ?
How to make it faster ?

Ferrari got their engine upgrade last weekend at Sochi , it pushed 15 HP more . But that's not enough to beat MAX or HAM .
From what I heard Ferrari gave it up for this season and they throw now everything on the "Ferrari Superfast PU project 672"
"The Ferrari 2022 F1 ground-effect car"
And the Ferrari engineers headed by "Enrico Gualtier" is responsible for the 2022 Ferrari 672 Superfast project .
Well, if the Super Fast project doesn't do any better than the new engine we are screwed.
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Didn't we have refueling in the KERS era? I'm almost certain we did.

The thing I want with refueling isn't about fuel use but smaller and more nimble cars with a dash of uncertainty. This makes a more complex strategic formula and will return F1 to actual sprint racing. If I want to watch endurance racing with lift and coast, tire savings, and the rest of that foolishness, I'll watch WEC and other forms of racing which I enjoy for different reasons.

I don't want to see it in F1 as it dilutes the brand and devalues the drivers who are supposed to be the fastest drivers in the world. Because F1 is SPRINT Racing. Not mini-enduro challenge.
You make a good point in that the all out FAST-YA-CAN is integral to the DNA to formula 1. I think that is why the current quali format is also so entertaining. I wonder if we had a half distance race with no pit stops, half fuel loads and hard tire running only would result in fantastic racing or not. I bet it would. Plenty of tires, plenty of fuel, send it 100% of the race.

Interesting points by all though. Thats almost 2 full pages of interesting posts!
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You make a good point in that the all out FAST-YA-CAN is integral to the DNA to formula 1. I think that is why the current quali format is also so entertaining. I wonder if we had a half distance race with no pit stops, half fuel loads and hard tire running only would result in fantastic racing or not. I bet it would. Plenty of tires, plenty of fuel, send it 100% of the race.

Interesting points by all though. Thats almost 2 full pages of interesting posts!
It would. This is why I want refueling brought back with sturdy tires. Let the tires run out when they run out but this BS of temperature ranges to switch the tires on and that foolishness is too much. The ambient temperature should interfere with engine power but not tires. It's too much BS and unless you're a real tech-head like me, who cares?!?!! This is why F1 has lost audience share compared to the late 90's and early 2000's. And the sound. Hearing a V8 or V10 at full chat made the hair on the back of your neck stand up and the shifts are like rifle shots. It. Was. Epic.

Now the cars are faster but not as romantic. It's a shame because it could have been both.
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Well, if the Super Fast project doesn't do any better than the new engine we are screwed.
Of course . Honda and Mercedes won't share their techical top secrets why their PU is so powerfull and reliable...
Because over the years the PU development costs was $Billions...
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OK, I'll double down and take ANY TP over this clown. He should fired and throat punched...like A LOT!!!

Mostly I feel sorry for his team. I can't imagine a leader saying that garbage to me. I'd loose my $hit if you couldn't tell.
Binotto has more power as he's more than a team manager, Ferrari are
tailgating because it was decided above Binotto to go with a PU that hasn't the split turbo design as used in RB and Merc. There must be an unknown lackey 'manager' in the Ferrari box now that just does what he's told.
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Didn't we have refueling in the KERS era? I'm almost certain we did.

The thing I want with refueling isn't about fuel use but smaller and more nimble cars with a dash of uncertainty. This makes a more complex strategic formula and will return F1 to actual sprint racing. If I want to watch endurance racing with lift and coast, tire savings, and the rest of that foolishness, I'll watch WEC and other forms of racing which I enjoy for different reasons.

I don't want to see it in F1 as it dilutes the brand and devalues the drivers who are supposed to be the fastest drivers in the world. Because F1 is SPRINT Racing. Not mini-enduro challenge.
i need to look MK for accurate info but KERS used only by few teams one year and the next year refueling was banned KERS were not though even if nobody was using it..
but im sure it was in '09 or '10..

i agree with you.. and that sprint full speed spirit i guess ended right after quali engine days were over also when you dig deeper...

and forgot to add.. i hate "temps are so high" phrase as well.. cooling wise not tires.. you shave time by cooling less.. but you cant go faster and get closer to the front to overtake..
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Binotto has more power as he's more than a team manager, Ferrari are
tailgating because it was decided above Binotto to go with a PU that hasn't the split turbo design as used in RB and Merc. There must be an unknown lackey 'manager' in the Ferrari box now that just does what he's told.
The Italians think they can engineer a better power unit than the Germans and Japanese
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i need to look MK for accurate info but KERS used only by few teams one year and the next year refueling was banned KERS were not though even if nobody was using it..
but im sure it was in '09 or '10..

i agree with you.. and that sprint full speed spirit i guess ended right after quali engine days were over also when you dig deeper...

and forgot to add.. i hate "temps are so high" phrase as well.. cooling wise not tires.. you shave time by cooling less.. but you cant go faster and get closer to the front to overtake..
Here is a quickie on KERS from Wikipedia

Warning: Lewis was the first driver to achieve a win and a pole position using KERS. This may set a few people off.

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Formula One has stated that they support responsible solutions to the world's environmental challenges,[7] and the FIA allowed the use of 60 kW (82 PS; 80 bhp) KERS in the regulations for the 2009 Formula One season.[8] Teams began testing systems in 2008: energy can either be stored as mechanical energy (as in a flywheel) or as electrical energy (as in a battery or supercapacitor).[9]
Kimi Räikkönen took the lead of the 2009 Belgian Grand Prix with a KERS-aided overtake and subsequently won the race.

With the introduction of KERS in the 2009 season, only four teams used it at some point in the season: Ferrari, Renault, BMW and McLaren. Eventually, during the season, Renault and BMW stopped using the system. Nick Heidfeld was the first driver to take a podium position with a KERS equipped car, at the Malaysian Grand Prix. McLaren Mercedes became the first team to win an F1 GP using a KERS equipped car when Lewis Hamilton won the Hungarian Grand Prix on July 26, 2009. Their second KERS equipped car finished fifth. At the following race, Lewis Hamilton became the first driver to take pole position with a KERS car, his teammate, Heikki Kovalainen qualifying second. This was also the first instance of an all KERS front row. On August 30, 2009, Kimi Räikkönen won the Belgian Grand Prix with his KERS equipped Ferrari. It was the first time that KERS contributed directly to a race victory, with second placed Giancarlo Fisichella claiming "Actually, I was quicker than Kimi. He only took me because of KERS at the beginning".[10]

Although KERS was still legal in F1 in the 2010 season, all the teams had agreed not to use it.[11] New rules for the 2011 F1 season which raised the minimum weight limit of the car and driver by 20 kg to 640 kg,[12] along with the FOTA teams agreeing to the use of KERS devices once more, meant that KERS returned for the 2011 season.[13] Use of KERS was still optional as in the 2009 season; and at the start of the 2011 season three teams chose not to use it.[14]

WilliamsF1 developed their own flywheel-based KERS system but decided not to use it in their F1 cars due to packaging issues, and have instead developed their own electrical KERS system. However, they set up Williams Hybrid Power to sell their developments. In 2012 it was announced that the Audi Le Mans R18 hybrid cars would use Williams Hybrid Power.[15]

Since 2014, the power capacity of the KERS units were increased from 60 kilowatts (80 bhp) to 120 kilowatts (160 bhp). This was introduced to balance the sport's move from 2.4 litre V8 engines to 1.6 litre V6 turbo engines.[16]

EDIT: Refueling was banned in 2010 so there was 1 year of overlap of the systems.
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