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I agree with your premise. Where it falls short is that 1- BEVs haven’t proven to be the future solution (they just might be), and 2- cars weren’t imposed on horse owners, so the natural progression of car ownership allowed the demand to be there organically so initiative could exist to build roads. When you impose a certain solution, natural initiatives cannot cope with that unnatural demand. I have not observed people “hating on EVs”. Most, if not all, love the technology and what those cars can do. But not love the shoving down their throats. |
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12-27-2023, 01:34 PM | #136 | |
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Over here and around social media I just see a lot of hate based on the EV itself. Like some stupid things where if you drive an EV, somehow you're not a man or don't have a real car and you know just petty highschool bs things like that that really irks me. It's like so stupid. But you're right on here it's probably not like that for most and I may be mixing that up. |
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I was only commenting on the realities of mandates vs infrastructure to support those mandates. We have rolling black outs and it’s practically 2024 without the EV mandates. What does one think will happen when the infrastructure is subject to increase of stress on the aging outdated power grids nationwide? Charging times are an issue also. What about those who are apartment dwellers with no home access to at home charging? Subsides did not last long enough for solar panels so not nearly every home has them. There are so many issues with Mandating EV’s and how this would impact everyday life. Could it happen, sure. It’s just not feasible for when government wants it to go into effect. IJS. It’s myopic to think just because it works for you now that it will work for everyone (even by 2035). |
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12-27-2023, 07:27 PM | #140 |
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My great grandmother was born in the late 1800’s on a farm in Kansas. She told me a story about her father buying a car. It didn’t stop when he said ‘whoa’ and crashed into the barn.
Anyway, subsidized oil started in the early 1900’s and continues to this day. The Joint Commission on Taxation estimates that if we eliminated tax breaks on drilling, it would generate $13 billion over the next 10 years. We also give tax credits for coal projects. That’s another billion. What you are seeing with renewable energy is the shift from fossil fuels to renewables. Think of it taking the old subsidies and applying them to new ones. The more we can shift to wind, solar, and water power will leave more for industries that rely on fossil fuels. Peak oil discovery was in the late 1960’s. It’s been downhill since then. They have created fracking to keep the reserves up. We have lots of useless shale oil, so maybe they will come up with a cost effective way to refine it. But, maybe they won’t. No one is forcing anyone to buy an EV. There are rules for new cars but not work trucks, semi tractor trailers, farm equipment, etc. So, buy a new gasoline/petrol car in 2034. I’m sure a bunch will be titled and never driven, so you can buy them used in the future. Getting bent out of shape for an unknown future is a waste of energy. I bought an EV because I love the technology. I also bought a plasma TV in the 1990’s when everyone else was using rear projection TVs. Yes, it was $10,000. I’ve moved on to OLED, but those $4k TVs were very expensive when they came out, too. Plasma doesn’t even exist anymore. Would I have still bought one, absolutely. Technology changes and 10 years from now, I expect a completely different type of EV. Solid state will be cool. Remember how much early solid state disc drives cost? |
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12-28-2023, 10:42 AM | #141 |
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No sound, no gears thus more refinement. No exhaust gasses. No need for oil. Less maintenance. By all measures, this is a revolution. Especially when you own one, it becomes very clear.
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I think the biggest driver away from ICE / petroleum is geopolitical.
All this shit going on in the Middle East has a lot to do with OPEC and its influence on oil prices. Western governments desperately want to get away from that crap and see EV’s as way out. People complain about the price of gas and vote on it. Seems to me the best way is to remove that hot button topic from elections. |
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12-30-2023, 02:45 AM | #145 |
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Whilst an Inline 6 is an option I know exactly what I will be buying when it’s time for a change 👌🏼
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I haven’t bought an EV yet (waiting on the next gen), but I’m looking forward to never going to another dirty/shifty gas station again in my life.
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I'm waiting to see battery tech to become safer and less expensive to produce. $10-20k to replace a battery is ridiculous especially since the manufactures like Tesla now have EV drivers by the balls.
Charging takes travelers on mainstream routes in order to have a charger nearby. This makes a vacationing family avoid fun and adventurous paths to avoid running out of charge. (As a kid, my father would take an alternate route to see more than what the interstate had to offer) It used to be better-off people bought new cars, later on traded them resulting in cars available for less well-off who often times fixed the cars themselves which led into careers in mechanics. This doesn't seem possible at this point with EVs not being financially feasible or technically possible to fix by the average consumer. Things will have to change in the EV industry before they can make ICE vehicles obsolete. |
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EVs are still in the early stages while ICE development has substantially peaked. They will also soon be less expensive to build than ICE vehicles - especially hybrids. Judgement about range, cost, recharging time and charging infrastructure etc is generally based on today’s situation vs the future reality. Whether we like it or not, I think EVs will eventually (~10 years) displace the sales of all new ICE (including hybrid) powered passenger cars in developed nations. The exception being niche low volume cars/models aimed at enthusiasts. Happy new year everyone. |
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I agree there will be a time when I buy an EV and it makes sense to do so, but that’s not now for me. I am semi retired, do 7-8000 mile a year with half of that being 250-400 mile round trips. I do not like any kind of hassle, queuing or hunting for charging scenarios.
My X1 U11 diesel averages 60mpg (750+ miles a tank) and costs significantly less to to buy than a mild hybrid or full e car so buying one does not stack up. As an counterpoint to the title of the thread if you google “BMW continues to develop ICE” you will see they are still working on making these engines even more fuel efficient and clean, I still plan to buy another diesel before the end of the decade and have no doubt it will be even better than the current crop. 100+ years of development mean these engines are now at their pinnacle, rather that than the early years of electrification. If things look totally different in ten years time when i’m in my mid 60s then I’ll reconsider an ICE. |
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