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Ham called into the stewards...
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Fk. Of course I miss a clusterfk of a race!
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This season is going a long way in establishing VER as a dirty driver undeserving of any success.
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And where I have sympathy for Max as a younger driver, he's got the worst team backing him with Horner clearly being a dirt bag who walks the line of cheating (like a Bill Belicheat of the NFL's Patriots) where Horners guiding Max in the wrong career directions just so Redbull can get an extra point or to cause MB to loose a point... Max doesn't realize he's a puppet of Horner. If Max doesn't clean up his act and take the honorable route for a career path, I don't think his career will reach anywhere near the level his talent potential could get him. I fear long-term, Red Bull, Horner & Max could single handedly turn F1 down a path where the NFL went, which is a sewer pit run by thugs and other immature trash with suspect refing and rules that make no sense. this will look bad on FIA in the end, they really should step up and give Max a serious sit down discussion, or if he does something questionable in the final race they put him in his place with a disqualification or equivilent. needs to be a zero tolerance action. Might be the best thing you could do to someone like that, for his own good. |
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There was plenty of room for Ham to pass on the left and Ham hit Max,he got it all wrong, shit show with a rocket engine
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Look up the definition of poor sportsmanship....
It will say, "see Max V." Latest example, watch Mr.hands on hips walk out of the podium ceremony. |
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FIA isn't going to do anything
F1 was dying before Max came along to challenge Lewis. Now at least the races are interesting. its not just a mercedes/hamilton show. |
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I think F1 has crossed from Sports to Sports Entertainment.
Only justified result of a stewards meeting would be to disqualify both drivers and fire Michael Masi. That would be the most justified response to this race. Apparently rear ending a car is ok, tell that to Vettel. Slowing the pack to assist with a double stack pit stop is ok. Masi is a joke and has lost governing control and respect of the paddock.
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Given Max has more wins for the season, what are the odds of him taking Lewis out on the first corner at Abu Dhabi?
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There is also footage from inside max' cockpit, the steering wheel hardly turns, and he is certainly not steering to the left just before ham tries to overtake like you have us to believe. I'm not the one here being blind....
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One thing seems very clear about the Ham-Max fight. Even if Ham clearly has the superior race pace and even if he's passed Max with a car-length during a fight for track position...you just know it's still gonna be a collision. Max simply cannot accept the fact that the other guy is quicker. So he will brake too late and crash into you or force you off the track.
I've only seen this kind of behaviour before from Prost/Senna but that was just during the season finale 89 and 90 at Suzuka.
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You can argue the data this and that, but if you agree that VER is weaving, HAM sees that and if there is no indication to him from Mercedes' pit wall that VER is giving him back position, the weaving can be seen as a defending action like we saw in Brazil. If one can make the argument that HAM could have just overtaken VER the argument could be that VER should have just moved entirely to the left or right instead of staying in the middle portion of the track. Again, I have to watch the race to see what happened but everyone giving their opinions know what was going on and from what I can see and read, HAM was not given any indication that VER was giving him back track position. If I'm wrong, I apologize. |
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Max was repeatedly over the line in this race and penalized accordingly.
The collision during VER's attempt to let him pass definitely isn't one of those moments. Not shared responsibility, but as the following car, really 100% on HAM. If HAM suspected a safety car situation (probable), then you would not rush up and position the car in a tailgating position just mere feet behind VER. If HAM wasn't sure what was going on, then again, you still wouldn't run up the back of VER and leave no margin for error. HAM had seconds to recognize the fact that VER was slowing considerably. What if VER was having a drive issue causing the slowing? And/or a puncture or suspension issue resulting in erratic control? In the case of a safety car or track incident, the car behind must govern pace and manage the gap. He did not. In the case of a mechanical issue, or what was actually happening in this instance -- slowing to allow a pass -- bide your time and pass at your discretion, when safe and optimum. It was HAM's haste combined with confusion and indecisiveness that caused that incident. A real error in judgment from him in an otherwise brilliant race. Lucky one or both drivers didn't come away with race ending damage. I note that the overhead of the incident was shown once on the broadcast. Sky feedback on this was junk. Rear end the car ahead during a track day or on the road and see if any of their excuses work. The trailing driver's uncertainty isn't a valid cause for collision, good lord.....
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HAM's Rocket PU was 0.5/0.8 sec. faster . The Merc's Rocket pace was incredible ! 20 laps MAX's defence was outstanding to stay out of HAM's DRS range . But HAM's Rocket was so much faster and MAX didn't had a chance .. If HAM's Rocket Warp-Speed remains so fast at Yas Marina , then it's over for MAX ... Of course it has to be driven first ...and situations can change very quickly in F1 The only answer that Red Bull has is to swap MAX's PU to be faster at Yas Marina .. The downside is a 5 P penalty , but how it looks like to get more pace I think they have to do it anyway .. BTW : As I said , the Jeddah track is a cars graveyard !
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The 'sudden steering' to the left (at 0:12) is the car moving when HAM hits him!! Max is NOT trying to block HAM's path like you have us believe!! And you can see: there so soooo much space on the left. Really, there was no reason for HAM to run into Max, other than that HAM was flabbergasted and didn't know how to deal with the situation. But it's not that Max made it difficult for HAM on purpose
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EDIT: Telemetry proves that Max did apply the brakes...very disappointing. A really dangerous thing to do in these circumstances.
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