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      11-28-2018, 07:25 PM   #529
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Even Hillary is finally wising up....”she told a British newspaper that “Europe needs to get a handle on migration.” She said the Continent’s leaders should make clear that they are “not going to be able to continue to provide refuge and support” to any and all who want to come. Border chaos fuels anti-immigrant populism, be it in the U.S. or Europe—and she should know. During the 2016 campaign, Mrs. Clinton’s focus was making the Mexico border more open rather than more secure, and she believes that’s one of the reasons Donald Trump was elected president.”
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Even Hillary is finally wising up....”she told a British newspaper that “Europe needs to get a handle on migration.” She said the Continent’s leaders should make clear that they are “not going to be able to continue to provide refuge and support” to any and all who want to come. Border chaos fuels anti-immigrant populism, be it in the U.S. or Europe—and she should know. During the 2016 campaign, Mrs. Clinton’s focus was making the Mexico border more open rather than more secure, and she believes that’s one of the reasons Donald Trump was elected president.”
My daughter had to do a powerpoint presentation for a class on this and the amount of unrealistic, dogmatic palaver given to her was absolutely disgusting. She asked my opinion on the final product and I asked her, "Do you want to make an A or do you want it to be accurate?" She wanted to make an A so we left it as it was and got a helluva laugh from the final product. Nearly complete fiction.
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$9,250 for each illegal. ...each and every year.
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$9,250 for each illegal. ...each and every year.
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Liberals want free health care, free education, and like Joe Biden said "a never ending stream of immigration"; but who will pay for all this shit?
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Liberals want free health care, free education, and like Joe Biden said "a never ending stream of immigration"; but who will pay for all this shit?
Way to misconstrue Biden's words. Biden didn't say "illegal" immigration. He said "immigration". What's wrong with immigrants into the US? If they pay for health care, education, taxes, etc., why does that bother you?

Edit: The mind-binding tragedy with the Right's position in this whole discussion (as evidenced by your post) is the conflation of "immigration" with "illegal immigration". This whole thread is replete with this mindset.

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My daughter had to do a powerpoint presentation for a class on this and the amount of unrealistic, dogmatic palaver given to her was absolutely disgusting. She asked my opinion on the final product and I asked her, "Do you want to make an A or do you want it to be accurate?" She wanted to make an A so we left it as it was and got a helluva laugh from the final product. Nearly complete fiction.
So you taught your daughter to sell out her principles. How you and your daughter choose to prioritize principles and money/grades is your business, but let's be clear as to what the lesson that was being taught here.

And yes, I have a daughter myself.
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So you taught your daughter to sell out her principles. How you and your daughter choose to prioritize principles and money/grades is your business, but let's be clear as to what the lesson that was being taught here.

And yes, I have a daughter myself.
Did you really just insult a man and his parenting style? What the hell is wrong with you? That was completely uncalled for.

With respect to MK, I would have done the exact same thing. When I was in college, I had an extremely liberal history professor who was known for giving harsh marks on papers that didn't align with his beliefs. I had to write a paper about WEB Dubois. As much as it pained me to do it, I wrote that paper and exemplified his attributes with respect to his education, literary works, and development of the NAACP while ignoring his anti-capitalist stance and pro communism statements. As such, I received an A. I didn't give up my principles, I just realized that it wasn't a fight worth fighting and that ultimately I was going to be in that class for just a few months.


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Way to misconstrue Biden's words. Biden didn't say "illegal" immigration. He said "immigration". What's wrong with immigrants into the US? If they pay for health care, education, taxes, etc., why does that bother you?

Edit: The mind-binding tragedy with the Right's position in this whole discussion (as evidenced by your post) is the conflation of "immigration" with "illegal immigration". This whole thread is replete with this mindset.
I am pretty far to the right and have no problem discerning the two. As a matter of fact, my wife is an immigrant from Africa with plans to obtain her citizenship soon.

There are outliers, but the majority of people don't have an issue with those who wish to come the USA the right and legal way. We do have an issue with those who want the world to cater to them and to come in by jumping the line.

I recommend you watch the generalizations, sir.
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Liberals want free health care, free education, and like Joe Biden said "a never ending stream of immigration"; but who will pay for all this shit?
Way to misconstrue Biden's words. Biden didn't say "illegal" immigration. He said "immigration". What's wrong with immigrants into the US? If they pay for health care, education, taxes, etc., why does that bother you?

Edit: The mind-binding tragedy with the Right's position in this whole discussion (as evidenced by your post) is the conflation of "immigration" with "illegal immigration". This whole thread is replete with this mindset.
The conflation of immigration with illegal immigration is done by the right?
Care to provide evidence of your claim?

I'll provide you evidence of how the liberals conflate the two, not the right.

Case in point: Trump wants to close the border to illegal immigrants, gets called a Nazi.
Trump calls the illegal immigrants an invasion, while sustaining the US NEEDS legal immigrants due to booming economy, gets called anti-immigration.

Logic is not that hard son.
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Way to misconstrue Biden's words. Biden didn't say "illegal" immigration. He said "immigration". What's wrong with immigrants into the US? If they pay for health care, education, taxes, etc., why does that bother you?

Edit: The mind-binding tragedy with the Right's position in this whole discussion (as evidenced by your post) is the conflation of "immigration" with "illegal immigration". This whole thread is replete with this mindset.
Never ending stream of third world immigration. Yeah that's working out great for Western Europe.
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So you taught your daughter to sell out her principles. How you and your daughter choose to prioritize principles and money/grades is your business, but let's be clear as to what the lesson that was being taught here.

And yes, I have a daughter myself.
No. I taught her to put her emotions aside and get the job done. It's what professionals do on a daily basis.

And I'll stack my accomplishments against yours any day of the week and we'll see exactly who should be teaching whom. I just learned another lesson myself; what a pathetic canker sore you are on this board.
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Did you really just insult a man and his parenting style? What the hell is wrong with you? That was completely uncalled for.

With respect to MK, I would have done the exact same thing. When I was in college, I had an extremely liberal history professor who was known for giving harsh marks on papers that didn't align with his beliefs. I had to write a paper about WEB Dubois. As much as it pained me to do it, I wrote that paper and exemplified his attributes with respect to his education, literary works, and development of the NAACP while ignoring his anti-capitalist stance and pro communism statements. As such, I received an A. I didn't give up my principles, I just realized that it wasn't a fight worth fighting and that ultimately I was going to be in that class for just a few months.




I am pretty far to the right and have no problem discerning the two. As a matter of fact, my wife is an immigrant from Africa with plans to obtain her citizenship soon.

There are outliers, but the majority of people don't have an issue with those who wish to come the USA the right and legal way. We do have an issue with those who want the world to cater to them and to come in by jumping the line.

I recommend you watch the generalizations, sir.
Thanks for the assist. He really can't help himself. It's amazing how those on the far left know sooooooooo much more than everyone else without any regard to whom they may be speaking with. That idiot doesn't know that both of my parents are full professors emeritus and would tell anyone the exact same thing. Do the work you're asked for not the work you want until you've earned the privilege. There is another place this is also necessary...your freaking job. Absolutely amazing.

Cheers-mk
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The conflation of immigration with illegal immigration is done by the right?
Care to provide evidence of your claim?

I'll provide you evidence of how the liberals conflate the two, not the right.

Case in point: Trump wants to close the border to illegal immigrants, gets called a Nazi.
Trump calls the illegal immigrants an invasion, while sustaining the US NEEDS legal immigrants due to booming economy, gets called anti-immigration.

Logic is not that hard son.
It is when one is a twisted and brainwashed mountebank. Yes it is.
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