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      10-10-2008, 12:33 PM   #1
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(((((((((((((Why it's all the Democrats fault)))))))))))))



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It's common knowledge that the big issue for this economic collapse was all the foreclosed homes due to F May & F Mac. The repubs tried to regulate them twice with 2 bills (2 & 4 years ago). The dems said nothing needed to be fixed cuz they we're bought out by Mac & May & shot down both bills. We wouldn't be in this mess in the 1st place if either of those bill would of past. We would have had the ability to stop it but now 1 in 6 homes are in forecloser due to people who knew they couldn't afford a buying a house did so anyways due to lack of regulation. Now the bubble popped, both companies went under in days, & (for the 1st time in US history) it's the honest tax payers (like myself) problem now to keep those people in their homes which they knew they couldn't afford to begin with. We are spending $700+ billion so that the government can buy up all of these foreclosed homes (SOCIALISM 101).

Also, the repubs tried to start drilling in AK in '96 & '00 to stop our dependency on foreign oil. That got shot down by the dems too both times. Now that it's a problem & the repubs that still want to drill, they are saying it'll take 10 years before we start feeling relief. Well they did try 12 & 8 years ago, didn't they? Imagine all those 100's of billions we spent out to the middle east & Venezuela that could have stayed here. Also, we would have been a much bigger player in the EXTREMELY LUCRATIVE oil trading business. Not to mention $2 a gallon gas for you & businesses alike.

In short, our biggest issues (Economy, Energy Crisis, Job Losses, Foreclosed Homes, weakening dollar & more) were all due to poor decisions made by the dems. Now they control congress & maybe soon the presidency.

Dems, Debunk away........

Voting records will come next......
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further proof......
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      10-10-2008, 12:41 PM   #3
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drilling in alaska is not going to solve the problem about our dependence on foreign oil. its a drop in the bucket. you're whole statement sounds like a cornered animal fighting the inevitable. are you in denial? do you really think that all the current problems are the democrat's fault and not the current ruling regime? if you do, you need to wake up.
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drilling in alaska is not going to solve the problem about our dependence on foreign oil. its a drop in the bucket. you're whole statement sounds like a cornered animal fighting the inevitable. are you in denial? do you really think that all the current problems are the democrat's fault and not the current ruling regime? if you do, you need to wake up.
I'm sorry but, you need to wake up. I'll be providing voting records soon to put the nail in the coffin on this one. Also, you are clueless about exactly how much oil Alaska has....

Laws are passed through congress, not the president. The president has the ability to VETO once. If vetoed, congress can overpass the president it they get a 70% vote. If the bills never make it to the president, nothing gets accomplished.
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Also, you are clueless about exactly how much oil Alaska has....
so since you appear to be an oil and gas insider, please tell us how much oil is in ANWR. what did they find on the bottom of the KIC well?
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We can all thank Mr. Clinton for the current sub prime crisis.
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We can all thank Mr. Clinton for the current sub prime crisis.
you have got to be the dumbest motherfucker I've come across on this forum.
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so since you appear to be an oil and gas insider, please tell us how much oil is in ANWR. what did they find on the bottom of the KIC well?
In addition, and I could be wrong on the number, but I believe that the oil companys export about 70% of the oil now produced in Alaska. So more drilling would simply increase oil company (Bush's pals) profit. Oil is a finite naturely occuring energy source. No matter how much we drill eventually we will run out. The solution isn't more oil, its alternative energy. Also in spite of what the moron Palin says Alaska only produces about 3% of the supply so more Alaskan oil won't help gas prices.
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you have got to be the dumbest motherfucker I've come across on this forum.
sayemthree takes that credit.
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so since you appear to be an oil and gas insider, please tell us how much oil is in ANWR. what did they find on the bottom of the KIC well?
the ANWR says there are "Nearly 11 billion barrels of undiscovered oil and 19 trillion cubic feet of undiscovered gas in the region may be recoverable using existing technology."

http://www.anwr.org/features/akeval.htm
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We can all thank Mr. Clinton for the current sub prime crisis.
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sayemthree takes that credit.
its a tough competition, but I think hunter has come out on top. he is part of the biggest problem with this country, the morons that supported and still think Bush has done a wonderful job. Hey hunter... how are your parents' 401ks and investments going? Bush has done a wonderful job, huh? sayemthree is just jumping on the bandwagon of racism
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sayemthree takes that credit.
nationwide polls show that it's a tie.
but yes, neither one of them is the sharpest tool in the shed.
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In addition, and I could be wrong on the number, but I believe that the oil companys export about 70% of the oil now produced in Alaska. So more drilling would simply increase oil company (Bush's pals) profit. Oil is a finite naturely occuring energy source. No matter how much we drill eventually we will run out. The solution isn't more oil, its alternative energy. Also in spite of what the moron Palin says Alaska only produces about 3% of the supply so more Alaskan oil won't help gas prices.
well sort of...i'm sure that we don't export crude, but we do export around 1M barrels of refined oil products per day. as far as north slope production, only about 700,000 barrels are produced there a day. the US uses upwards of 20M barrels a day. even if we were to drill ANWR, it's still only a drop in the bucket. ANWR is purely speculated to produce 5B barrels with standard techniques. no one really knows for sure because there have only been 2 test drills in ANWR...one (aurora) was dry, the other (chevron KIC) is a tight hole. irregardless, 5B barrels is not going to solve our dependence on foreign oil. i agree that alternative energy is the long term solution although there is no short term solution.
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so yeah........ Is anyone gonna disagree with my 1st post? Or do we all agree that it was all the dems fault in the 2 BIG mistakes that fukd our country up?
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the ANWR says there are "Nearly 11 billion barrels of undiscovered oil and 19 trillion cubic feet of undiscovered gas in the region may be recoverable using existing technology."

http://www.anwr.org/features/akeval.htm
11B or not, do the math. 11B is about a year and a half's worth of oil at current consumption. it's NOT the definitive answer.
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i agree that alternative energy is the long term solution although there is no short term solution.
The correct answer is both....... which is what McCain wants to do. Just to restructure the US would cost HUGE bucks.

On the other side, Obama wants to spend 5 times what McCain wants to into further research into better cleaner fuels. SPENDING IS NOT THE ANSWER NOW
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The correct answer is both....... which is what McCain wants to do. Just to restructure the US would cost HUGE bucks.

On the other side, Obama wants to spend 5 times what McCain wants to into further research into better cleaner fuels. SPENDING IS NOT THE ANSWER NOW
1. Drill
2. Stop spending
3. Problem solved


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11B or not, do the math. 11B is about a year and a half's worth of oil at current consumption. it's NOT the definitive answer.
now multiply 11 billion by lets say $80 per barrel. Then get 40% of that which will go to uncle sam. What do you get? A stronger $, better prices at the pump, lower debt, and ........ I'll let you use your imagination
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1. Drill
2. Stop spending
3. Problem solved
1. A LOT of money going to the US cuz of drilling as well as MUCH cheaper gas prices will stimulate the economy.
2. Limited spending (within our means) to advance other forms of power
3. going at a long term goal via baby steps (ie. short term issues resolved)
4. problem solved
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1. A LOT of money going to the US cuz of drilling as well as MUCH cheaper gas prices will stimulate the economy.
2. Limited spending (within our means) to advance other forms of power
3. going at a long term goal via baby steps (ie. short term issues resolved)
4. problem solved
drill or not, the price of gas will not fall below $3, no matter how you spin it

though, i do agree that spending must be cut in alot of areas, especially in regards of "building democracy" in the "countries that don't like us very much".
this alone, should make economy better.
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drill or not, the price of gas will not fall below $3, no matter how you spin it

though, i do agree that spending must be cut in alot of areas, especially in regards of "building democracy" in the "countries that don't like us very much".
this alone, should make economy better.
I disagree with what you said about gas prices. Why? Supply & demand.

Agreed but, we still have some issues over there. Especially in this area:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...num=1&ct=image

That straight moves 40% of the WORLDS oil.


IS ANYONE GONNA DISAGREE WITH ME HERE ABOUT FM & FM?
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