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      07-30-2019, 12:12 PM   #1
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Not saving a 1/4 of everything you make? Congrats, you're homeless!

Well - the stats are in from all the evaluations and the basic tenant of single payer healthcare that all the 2020 Democrat candidates are promoting (Except Biden) is that a 20% confiscation of the entire salary of every working person in the country PLUS an additional 20% federal sales tax on top of the current sales taxes you are paying is the minimum tax increase needed to reach the lowest expected cost associated with taxpayer funded healthcare.

Let that sink in. The government is going to confiscate 20% more of all of your income in addition to increasing the cost of everything you buy by 20% just to ensure that you don't have to pay for health insurance.

I don't know about you - but I don't pay a third of all my salary for health insurance, do you?

So - if you aren't saving at least a 1/4 of everything you make, then you are going to be unable to support your bills and you will be bankrupt under the system they are all proposing.

But hey - at least you can get some free Advil, right?

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Once again - in bold:

The cheapest and most efficient way to achieve payment of "free healthcare" would be to combine the top three revenue generators listed below: Raise the payroll tax (paid for by workers and employers) by ten percentage points for everyone, impose a brand new 20 percent national VAT/sales tax, and hike income tax rates across the board by ten percentage points. Not one of those three; all of those three.

https://twitter.com/Brian_Riedl/stat...ption-n2550741


https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2...nt-great-idea/
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...llion-56906940
https://www.kff.org/health-reform/po...-january-2019/
https://freebeacon.com/politics/sand...-middle-class/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...hcare-n2545701
https://radio.foxnews.com/2019/07/26...f-health-care/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...thers-n2505163
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I think the dems are starting to believe in AOCs theory of the world coming to an end in the next 10 years. Their promises sounds like a going out of business fire sale. Fuck it everything must go because it is all coming to an end.

What the Democrats are promising is fucking insane. Yet these are the same people that were crying about Trump's wall being too expensive. When it came to that all of a sudden they got fiscally conservative. And now it's free, free, free, and spend, spend, spend. Oh and open borders, with tons of free shit for those who cross it.
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      07-30-2019, 12:25 PM   #3
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And now it's free, free, free, and spend, spend, spend.
It's never free. Never fucking ever.
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It's never free. Never fucking ever.
Of course it's not. It is very easy for them to spend other people's money. And lot of their constituents have no idea how an economy works. They hear free and are like oh wow this is awesome, not realizing that you are going to have to pay the piper eventually
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Let it all play out. Election Nite of 2020 will tell all.
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Let it all play out. Election Nite of 2020 will tell all.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the masses. Refer to my other thread below:

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1638682
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Let it all play out. Election Nite of 2020 will tell all.
I hope you are correct but if the country is as polarized as the posters in this forum, will they vote for this craziness just because they hate Trump so much?
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Yeah, it's a goat fuck of an idea and they need to come to their senses about this. I really don't mind how it is now as we are use to it and financially are secure with it.
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Well - the stats are in from all the evaluations and the basic tenant of single payer healthcare that all the 2020 Democrat candidates are promoting (Except Biden) is that a 20% confiscation of the entire salary of every working person in the country PLUS an additional 20% federal sales tax on top of the current sales taxes you are paying is the minimum tax increase needed to reach the lowest expected cost associated with taxpayer funded healthcare.

Let that sink in. The government is going to confiscate 20% more of all of your income in addition to increasing the cost of everything you buy by 20% just to ensure that you don't have to pay for health insurance.

I don't know about you - but I don't pay a third of all my salary for health insurance, do you?

So - if you aren't saving at least a 1/4 of everything you make, then you are going to be unable to support your bills and you will be bankrupt under the system they are all proposing.

But hey - at least you can get some free Advil, right?

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Once again - in bold:

The cheapest and most efficient way to achieve payment of "free healthcare" would be to combine the top three revenue generators listed below: Raise the payroll tax (paid for by workers and employers) by ten percentage points for everyone, impose a brand new 20 percent national VAT/sales tax, and hike income tax rates across the board by ten percentage points. Not one of those three; all of those three.

https://twitter.com/Brian_Riedl/stat...ption-n2550741


https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2...nt-great-idea/
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...llion-56906940
https://www.kff.org/health-reform/po...-january-2019/
https://freebeacon.com/politics/sand...-middle-class/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...hcare-n2545701
https://radio.foxnews.com/2019/07/26...f-health-care/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...thers-n2505163
They are completely insane. I'm almost tapped out, a part time work week for me is 50 hours a week. I'm routinely in the 70-80 hours per week range (I work from home, it never ends). I cannot even get myself to add up how much they steal from me in taxes. From the Feds, to the State, to sales tax, property tax, licensing tax, Bar dues, community taxes, school taxes, taxes on fucking everything. I have to imagine the full tax burden now is in the 50% range, and this is in Missouri which isn't even considered a high tax state.

It's getting to the point it's not even worth it anymore to work my ass off, because all I'm doing is paying more so illegals can come in here and get it all free while I'm called a racist.

Fuck these people.
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Don't underestimate the stupidity of the masses...
Quoted for truth.
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Well - the stats are in from all the evaluations and the basic tenant of single payer healthcare that all the 2020 Democrat candidates are promoting (Except Biden) is that a 20% confiscation of the entire salary of every working person in the country PLUS an additional 20% federal sales tax on top of the current sales taxes you are paying is the minimum tax increase needed to reach the lowest expected cost associated with taxpayer funded healthcare.

Let that sink in. The government is going to confiscate 20% more of all of your income in addition to increasing the cost of everything you buy by 20% just to ensure that you don't have to pay for health insurance.

I don't know about you - but I don't pay a third of all my salary for health insurance, do you?

So - if you aren't saving at least a 1/4 of everything you make, then you are going to be unable to support your bills and you will be bankrupt under the system they are all proposing.

But hey - at least you can get some free Advil, right?

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Once again - in bold:

The cheapest and most efficient way to achieve payment of "free healthcare" would be to combine the top three revenue generators listed below: Raise the payroll tax (paid for by workers and employers) by ten percentage points for everyone, impose a brand new 20 percent national VAT/sales tax, and hike income tax rates across the board by ten percentage points. Not one of those three; all of those three.

https://twitter.com/Brian_Riedl/stat...ption-n2550741


https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2...nt-great-idea/
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...llion-56906940
https://www.kff.org/health-reform/po...-january-2019/
https://freebeacon.com/politics/sand...-middle-class/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...hcare-n2545701
https://radio.foxnews.com/2019/07/26...f-health-care/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...thers-n2505163
I don't agree with how this plan is laid out and we all know it doesn't have a chance in hell passing even remotely close to as it is.

With this next part, I'm not making light of your recent illness at all as you know I feel for you (and your family) and hope you make a full/speedy recovery. Any way, I'm guessing you haven't paid enough in premiums to cover your current treatments or the following care etc. I get insurance is a pool and it isn't you just get what you pay in back. That is the problem though, with end of life care, cancer care and diabetes running rampant (partly because a certain political party doesn't want to curtail anybody's "freedoms") the pool is shrinking and negative in some cases. Diabetes care alone is projected to be consume nearly all of the current budget in a couple of decades because a majority of US citizens are fat asses.

Amy way, how do we solve this problem and where does/will the money come from? I agree with you and others this plan is a no go, but where are the ideas solutions form the Republicans? They can't bury their head in the sand forever on this topic.

I actually agreed with the part of Obama care that got young people in on paying for their future health care. Of course most don't need it when they are young, but they will get older and will need a lot of expensive care.
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I don't agree with how this plan is laid out and we all know it doesn't have a chance in hell passing even remotely close to as it is.

With this next part, I'm not making light of your recent illness at all as you know I feel for you (and your family) and hope you make a full/speedy recovery. Any way, I'm guessing you haven't paid enough in premiums to cover your current treatments or the following care etc. I get insurance is a pool and it isn't you just get what you pay in back. That is the problem though, with end of life care, cancer care and diabetes running rampant (partly because a certain political party doesn't want to curtail anybody's "freedoms") the pool is shrinking and negative in some cases. Diabetes care alone is projected to be consume nearly all of the current budget in a couple of decades because a majority of US citizens are fat asses.

Amy way, how do we solve this problem and where does/will the money come from? I agree with you and others this plan is a no go, but where are the ideas solutions form the Republicans? They can't bury their head in the sand forever on this topic.

I actually agreed with the part of Obama care that got young people in on paying for their future health care. Of course most don't need it when they are young, but they will get older and will need a lot of expensive care.
I think the most make sense solution is a total paradigm shift in how the entire public views health care and health insurance. It needs to migrate to the same thought process as car insurance or any other insurance product.

You pay for 'maintenance' for your health just like you do for your car - insurance doesn't cover this. Eliminate insurance coverage for well visits, annual physicals, et al.

Recognize that insurance is not the 'payer' of your healthcare - you are - and the insurance is there in the event of a catastrophe or accident. Same as any other insurance plan.

If Americans would understand this and budget a couple grand a year for maintaining their health and use insurance to help cover unexpected costs in the event of a "health accident" with the same expectation one would have for other insurance products, then the current health plans could cut costs and increase profitability.

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What do you think the chance of that is?



Bottom line - is I, nor many others, don't have a plan that makes sense and that would be agreeable to the majority of American voters.

Regardless of not having the right answer, though, I can tell you 100% that the plan all the democrat candidates are proposing sure as hell isn't it.
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Let that sink in. The government is going to confiscate 20% more of all of your income in addition to increasing the cost of everything you buy by 20% just to ensure that you don't have to pay for health insurance.
How about no?
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Diabetes care alone is projected to be consume nearly all of the current budget in a couple of decades because a majority of US citizens are fat asses.
Am not, and I've been diabetic since the age of 14. Type 1, or Insulin-dependent. Don't confuse us that have an aggressive immune system with the fat-assess who are just having an issue getting their insulin to work.

No insulin, no uncle in about 2 weeks, regardless of how fat my ass is. One of my bigger fears of the coming zombie apocalypse.

Out of pocket (if I'm not whoring my body out to scientific experimentation) I pay $600/3 month just for insulin. Blood test strips run about $3/day.
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Am not, and I've been diabetic since the age of 14. Type 1, or Insulin-dependent. Don't confuse us that have an aggressive immune system with the fat-assess who are just having an issue getting their insulin to work.

No insulin, no uncle in about 2 weeks, regardless of how fat my ass is. One of my bigger fears of the coming zombie apocalypse.

Out of pocket (if I'm not whoring my body out to scientific experimentation) I pay $600/3 month just for insulin. Blood test strips run about $3/day.
You couldíve saved a lot of typing and just realized I was generalizing on some common diseases etc. Iím sorry youíve had to deal with that though, obviously not fun.
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Out of pocket (if I'm not whoring my body out to scientific experimentation) I pay $600/3 month just for insulin. Blood test strips run about $3/day.
Wow, thatís cheaper than smoking a pack a day.
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US healthcare is pretty broken.

The costs of healthcare needs to be reduced and availability of it expanded to cover more people. Whatever form that healthcare comes in is debatable but the results should be the same.
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You are all falsely blaming some imaginary tax!

What about the real out of control spending? Trump had a second record breaking year of destroying our economy with crazy debt and deficit! But it's all quiet from you guys why because it's trump? Lol. But you get all crazy from some imaginary tax that is not really and wouldn't ever happen.

You all have to put energy into stopping trump and his actual real insane spending!
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You are all falsely blaming some imaginary tax!

What about the real out of control spending? Trump had a second record breaking year of destroying our economy with crazy debt and deficit! But it's all quiet from you guys why because it's trump? Lol. But you get all crazy from some imaginary tax that is not really and wouldn't ever happen.

You all have to put energy into stopping trump and his actual real insane spending!
All fair points about Trump, but quite a few of us have made it pretty well known we're pissed about it. Personally I've mentioned it a number of times when I rattle of what Trump said on the campaign trail and what has really happened. Tax cuts for the middle class, the wall, and fighting the Fed were the big reasons I voted for him. So far, only the rich really got tax cuts, the wall is nonexistent (with more illegals flooding in here than ever before), and all he does is whine about how the Fed needs to cut rates to artificially continue blowing the biggest bubble in the history of mankind. He was a real tough talker in regards to the Fed on the campaign trail, now all he cares about are low rates to pump up the bullshit stock market which is so far off in neverland it's a joke.

I've said many times that the left needs to get off the Russian/collusion/racist bullshit that only the 21% of die hard loons believe anyway, and really hit him on what middle of the roaders care about. That's the economy, the economy, the economy, and health care. They've wasted more than two years now on Russian boogie man bullshit, when Trump has literally gifted them a million REAL things they could hammer him on.
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and really hit him on what middle of the roaders care about. That's the economy, the economy, the economy, and health care. They've wasted more than two years now on Russian boogie man bullshit, when Trump has literally gifted them a million REAL things they could hammer him on.
Bing-mutha-fucking-o.


Personally, I care about this and more (as I have stated more than once ). But when I talk to my friends what they seem most pissed about are the trade wars, out of control spending, and health care.
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You are all falsely blaming some imaginary tax!

What about the real out of control spending? Trump had a second record breaking year of destroying our economy with crazy debt and deficit! But it's all quiet from you guys why because it's trump? Lol. But you get all crazy from some imaginary tax that is not really and wouldn't ever happen.

You all have to put energy into stopping trump and his actual real insane spending!
I have called out Trump many times with respect to his and the current Republican congress spending and how it is no where near fiscally conservative. If you would read my posts, you would know this.

Irrespective of how bad Trump is doing (or good, depending on who you ask), one cannot deny that the current socialized medical programs being pushed by the current 2020 Democrat candidates are horrific and would decimate this country.

I can admit that Trump has done many things wrong but can also admit that the current democrat candidates to replace him (other than perhaps Biden) are also terrible.

The question is, my friend, can you?
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You are all falsely blaming some imaginary tax!

What about the real out of control spending? Trump had a second record breaking year of destroying our economy with crazy debt and deficit! But it's all quiet from you guys why because it's trump? Lol. But you get all crazy from some imaginary tax that is not really and wouldn't ever happen.

You all have to put energy into stopping trump and his actual real insane spending!
I have called out Trump many times with respect to his and the current Republican congress spending and how it is no where near fiscally conservative. If you would read my posts, you would know this.

Irrespective of how bad Trump is doing (or good, depending on who you ask), one cannot deny that the current socialized medical programs being pushed by the current 2020 Democrat candidates are horrific and would decimate this country.

I can admit that Trump has done many things wrong but can also admit that the current democrat candidates to replace him (other than perhaps Biden) are also terrible.

The question is, my friend, can you?
Calling out is meaningless it's just words on a post. so what why not actually hold trump responsible and make him and his kind accountable? If you really believe what he's doing fiscally is wrong you should be out there trying to get him voted out! Even more then the most liberal person

Many months ago I make a post asking why these shady politicians get away with being liars and spending money like this and everyone said it's because ppl don't care and forget etc, I think even you said something like that. If that's true you should be out even in front of democrats to get rid of this guy who is spending record amounts and it's still just 2019.

All trump has to do is say something bad about some minority or call democrats socialists and ppl automatically forget about what he is doing with insane spending. Remember when everyone here was going crazy about Obama spending? Now it's crickets!

You should do something about the real damage this guy and those shady crazy republicans doing right now instead of some fake made up tax that isn't real and never would happen
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