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      10-06-2016, 04:21 PM   #89
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This probably explains why I have had a tough time tracking down some pss's for the last month or so. No production eta is all I have heard in the front size. Ended up finding a pair end of last week. Looking forward to mounting them up tomorrow and finally saying good bye to the p zeros. It's been two years and long enough. Had pss on the e90 and loved em.
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Its pretty funny they only compared those to crappy tires. Where is the comparo to:

Bridgestone RE71R
Dunlop Z2 star spec
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They put 'em up against "Max Performance" summer tires, which they are.
Your 4 choices, while admirable and better on the track are "Extreme Performance" - not in the same class.

Would be cool to see how it holds up against 'em, though.
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This is terrific news, Michelin makes amazing tires and I am excited to get these on the M3 when it's time. With that said, does anybody else have a hard time getting their significant other as excited as you are about tires?
Are you kidding me? I'm always talking about tires at home. My wife mentioned that we currently have 34 tires in the basement plus another 8 in the garage. I cannot get enough tires -- Street tires, track tires, winter tires, etc.
Damn, I thought I had a lot at 16 extra tires.
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      10-06-2016, 09:13 PM   #93
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So no size for X6M and X5M 21'?
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do wonder if these will just be as shoulder melty on the track...
I agree the soft sidewalls are an issue for the MPSS when used on track. While the feel, handling and precision is excellent on the track, the sidewalls roll over and melt away in short order. See below...
I think you need more front camber. My MPSS look perfect after a couple track days.
Not for nothing - I don't have the tire melting issue with my track setup on square 17" wheels with Hankook RS3's.
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Do you think they'll eventually be available for 18's as well?
Of course they will.
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Seems strange that they didn't include PSS in those comparison tests....
Why would they? That would cannibalizes the sales of the MPSS. These will be sold along side them. The MPSS is still a good tire. The new one will just be that. New.
You can still show how your various products compare to each other for consumers to make an informed decision. And for cases where only one tire is available in the desired size, there's no cannibalization.
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would love to see reviews and comparo between PS4S and PSS.
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Its pretty funny they only compared those to crappy tires. Where is the comparo to:

Bridgestone RE71R
Dunlop Z2 star spec
Bridgestone RE 11
Hankook RS3
These are in a different (higher) performance category. Hence, not a comparison. These are better on the track (or, at least, they should be) but not as friendly for daily use.
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Fml, I literally just bought a new set of MPSS for my new HRE's and threw them on today. I was really happy until I read this. Bad luck Brian over here...
I guarantee you wouldn't feel the difference between the MPSS and the new tire for normal street use. I'm sure it will be incrementally different but it won't be night and day or meaningfully enough different to feel badly you just got MPSS
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I guarantee you wouldn't feel the difference between the MPSS and the new tire for normal street use. I'm sure it will be incrementally different but it won't be night and day or meaningfully enough different to feel badly you just got MPSS
Got MPSS installed today.
Don't feel badly at all! Haven't had a chance to push 'em yet, but compared to the RFT's, I LOVE them.

Still, a coparo between PSS and PS4S would be nice. Guess we'll have to wait for Tire Rack and the auto rags to get around to it.
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They put 'em up against "Max Performance" summer tires, which they are.
Your 4 choices, while admirable and better on the track are "Extreme Performance" - not in the same class.

Would be cool to see how it holds up against 'em, though.


we already can guess the answer can't we... just like if a middleweight fighter were going to fight someone at the light heavyweight level....
I guess one could also compare the MPSS vs the Pilot Sport Cup and other such R tires... " for fun"... but why..


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Not for nothing - I don't have the tire melting issue with my track setup on square 17" wheels with Hankook RS3's.
See difference between MAX and EXTREME performance as indicated above..
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Would love to know the list of sizes they are going to be making. Hopefully a bunch of 275-325 wide options in 19" and 20"

I have seen that PS4 will be 17" and 18" primarily with only a few 19" options, then PS4S in 19" and 20" (from the press release) and I'd expect a few 21" options will emerge given long enough.
The new MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4 S will be available from January 2017 in Europe and from early March in the United States. It will be available in in 19 and 20 inch diameters, covering 92% of the market.

19" PS4S Launch Sizes

225/35 ZR19 88 (Y) XL

225/40 ZR19 93 (Y) XL

225/45 ZR19 96 (Y) XL

235/35 ZR19 91 (Y) XL

235/40 ZR19 96 (Y) XL

245/30 ZR19 89 (Y) XL

245/35 ZR19 93 (Y) XL

255/30 ZR19 91 (Y) XL

255/35 ZR19 96 (Y) XL

265/30 ZR19 93 (Y) XL

265/35 ZR19 98 (Y) XL

265/45 ZR19 105 (Y) XL

275/30 ZR19 96 (Y) XL

275/35 ZR19 100 (Y) XL

285/35 ZR19 103 (Y) XL

295/30 ZR19 100 (Y) XL

295/40 ZR19 108 (Y) XL

305/30 ZR19 102 (Y) XL

325/30 ZR19 105 (Y) XL

20" PS4S Launch Sizes

235/35 ZR20 92 (Y) XL

235/45 ZR20 100 (Y) XL

245/30 ZR20 90 (Y) XL

245/35 ZR20 95 (Y) XL

245/40 ZR20 99 (Y) XL

255/35 ZR20 97 (Y) XL

255/40 ZR20 101 (Y) XL

255/45 ZR20 105 (Y) XL

265/30 ZR20 94 (Y) XL

265/35 ZR20 95 (Y) XL

275/30 ZR20 97 (Y) XL

275/35 ZR20 102 (Y) XL

275/40 ZR20 106 (Y) XL

285/30 ZR20 99 (Y) XL

285/35 ZR20 104 (Y) XL

295/30 ZR20 101 (Y) XL

305/30 ZR20 103 (Y) XL

315/35 ZR20 110 (Y) XL



http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...ss-Release.htm
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seems like a legitly good tires right there!
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Yes!!! I can fit these puppies on my E53 X5 4.8is!!
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Looks to me more of a street tire than the current race tire.
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Tests performed by TÜV SÜD in June and July 2016 show the PS4S having a shorter stopping distance than five premium competitors (Bridgestone Potenza S001, Continental SportContact 6, Dunlop Sport Maxx RT2, Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3, Pirelli PZero Nero GT) on both dry and wet surfaces.

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Geez, talk about misleading charts.
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Looks to me more of a street tire than the current race tire.
The current tire (the PSS) is far from a race tire The PSS and its PS4 replacement are both street tires.
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IIRC the Michelin Pilot Supersport came out in 2010-2011 and replaced the Michelin pilot Sport 2 ( aka PS2). With PSS supplanting the PS2 there was a tough transition from the similar naming and I imagine the name PSS2 would probably *really* be confusing. Either way.. the Supersport name was around more than a half decade.. so I wouldn't say this is a QUICK decision ..

potentially good point about PS4... reminds me of a certain video gaming device.. perhaps it won't be around long and a 5 is coming. Yikes.. PS5 might be confusing with PSS...
I think your recollection l is about correct re: PS2 to SS. THE SS was really a nice improvement IMO. THE PS4 reminds me of how Michelin brand cycling tires if you follow the sport. I didn't really think 4 season tires. Besides, they're French!
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