Any chemist here?

[kanovic]

My father in law is a truck driver and got into a wreck and 4 pallets of sodium aluminum phosphate acidic got damaged. Anyone know what we can do with this stuff? Maybe sell it preferable but idk to who or how to discard kt? Weird question I know.

[zx10guy]

Umm...shouldn't he have had a MSDS, material safety data sheet, with him when he took on that load?

[wtwo3]

[omasou]

looks like you can do a boatload of baking...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium...nium_phosphate

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by kanovic

My father in law is a truck driver and got into a wreck and 4 pallets of sodium aluminum phosphate acidic got damaged. Anyone know what we can do with this stuff? Maybe sell it preferable but idk to who or how to discard kt? Weird question I know.

Google says -
Sodium aluminum phosphate (SALP), its acidic form is used with sodium bicarbonate as a leavening agent in bakery products while the basic type is used as an emulsifier in processed cheese.

If it was damaged in an accident and is normally used as an ingredient for foods and for human consumption, it can't be sold. He should check with his shipper, they probably have rules that it must be destroyed due to food safety issues.

[CHECKERED]

you wont be able to sell it because any buyer will need traceability and sanitary conditions so if its damaged it has no value,

based on state laws you might be able to dispose of it in a regulars landfill, although this is unlikely and needs to be disposed in what is called a sanitary landfill where you get some hospital/industrial Nonhazardous waste.

if you want to find a cool use for it: mix some of the powder with drano
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LOL, JK don't do that

[JP10]

Thats no fun. My step-dad is a truck driver, often facilities would mess up loading him and the next place will refuse the load. When frozen or refrigerated the company often just tells him to keep it or dispose of it without charge. Hell at one point we had a full freezer of Klondike bars, this was like a decade or more ago and I think we still have some left over. Sometimes we would get some real good expensive cheeses, whip cream, tons of frozen goodies, etc etc. Rest he would just toss or donate.

[kanovic]

Originally Posted by CHECKERED

you wont be able to sell it because any buyer will need traceability and sanitary conditions so if its damaged it has no value,

based on state laws you might be able to dispose of it in a regulars landfill, although this is unlikely and needs to be disposed in what is called a sanitary landfill where you get some hospital/industrial Nonhazardous waste.

if you want to find a cool use for it: mix some of the powder with drano
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LOL, JK don't do that

So the actually product was not damaged the pallets hit each other and basically collapsed and the receiver refused it. The shipped is getting paid for the damage from his cargo insurance and his insurance is telling him to do whatever he wants with it or find someone who will take it.

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Umm...shouldn't he have had a MSDS, material safety data sheet, with him when he took on that load?

Don’t think so bc it’s not a hazmat item.

[kanovic]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

Google says -
Sodium aluminum phosphate (SALP), its acidic form is used with sodium bicarbonate as a leavening agent in bakery products while the basic type is used as an emulsifier in processed cheese.

If it was damaged in an accident and is normally used as an ingredient for foods and for human consumption, it can't be sold. He should check with his shipper, they probably have rules that it must be destroyed due to food safety issues.

Shipped doesn’t care because they are getting paid for it from his cargo insurance. It’s not technically for human consumption the labels says used for baking,cosmetic,animal feed, etc.. I read the google thing too but still don’t really know what it’s used for lol

[kanovic]

Originally Posted by JP10

Thats no fun. My step-dad is a truck driver, often facilities would mess up loading him and the next place will refuse the load. When frozen or refrigerated the company often just tells him to keep it or dispose of it without charge. Hell at one point we had a full freezer of Klondike bars, this was like a decade or more ago and I think we still have some left over. Sometimes we would get some real good expensive cheeses, whip cream, tons of frozen goodies, etc etc. Rest he would just toss or donate.

That’s what I was telling him why couldn’t it be bmw wheels or something useful lol. I know one time he had 2 pallets of watermelons that’s was kinda cool we jist passed it out to everyone

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by kanovic

Shipped doesn’t care because they are getting paid for it from his cargo insurance. It’s not technically for human consumption the labels says used for baking,cosmetic,animal feed, etc.. I read the google thing too but still don’t really know what it’s used for lol

If it is used for baking or even animal feed, there are contamination concerns. I’m very surprised the shipper doesn’t care. IF it was contaminated, sold and used there could be liability issues should someone get sick. Lot numbers would be traced back to shipper as all this info is captured during the manufacturing process. So either it isn’t used as an ingredient, or the insurance company is talking out their ass on their own. They represent the truck, not the shipper. I’m in the business and do food and beverage. In the case of an accident or even a broken seal on a trailer it’s big doings from a product integrity standpoint. In case of an accident, product is normally inspected by a QC representative from shipper and if ok, they will take and put back into inventory which reduces the amount of the claim or order freight destroyed at an approved facility so they know it’s not making its way to consumers where they can potentially be sued.

Selling damaged food products is a no no. Let’s say a load of beverages in glass bottles was in an accident. Shipper is paid by cargo insurance but trucking company sells product and it makes its way to someone to consumers. There are glass fragments in the bottle. A consumer drinks and gets glass fragments in their throat. Shipper gets sued big time. There are normal strict policies in place regarding refused products.

[kanovic]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

If it is used for baking or even animal feed, there are contamination concerns. I’m very surprised the shipper doesn’t care. IF it was contaminated, sold and used there could be liability issues should someone get sick. Lot numbers would be traced back to shipper as all this info is captured during the manufacturing process. So either it isn’t used as an ingredient, or the insurance company is talking out their ass on their own. They represent the truck, not the shipper. I’m in the business and do food and beverage. In the case of an accident or even a broken seal on a trailer it’s big doings from a product integrity standpoint. In case of an accident, product is normally inspected by a QC representative from shipper and if ok, they will take and put back into inventory which reduces the amount of the claim or order freight destroyed at an approved facility so they know it’s not making its way to consumers where they can potentially be sued.

Selling damaged food products is a no no. Let’s say a load of beverages in glass bottles was in an accident. Shipper is paid by cargo insurance but trucking company sells product and it makes its way to someone to consumers. There are glass fragments in the bottle. A consumer drinks and gets glass fragments in their throat. Shipper gets sued big time. There are normal strict policies in place regarding refused products.

I agree with what your saying. I found it weird myself, at first shipper wanted back but obvious truck is damnaged and no way to take it to and I guess they don’t want to pay for someone to get it. So according to progressive they are going to pay the shipper for the damaged goods and as of
Right now anyway they told basically do what you want with it .

[evil-G-nius]

Chemist...what, like legally?