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      10-30-2019, 02:11 PM   #23
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It's ALL about tires gents.
Tires used are identical, according to the video.
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It's ALL about tires gents.
Tires used are identical, according to the video.
I think he is referring to the importance of proper winter tires.
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It's ALL about tires gents.
Tires used are identical, according to the video.
I think he is referring to the importance of proper winter tires.
Sure but who says you can't have both? : Every single winter RWD vs AWD discussion includes someone professing that good tires are more important than drivetrain but nothing stops you from having great tires AND good AWD. I have had great winter tires in my RWD BMW and getting stuck is still possible. If you run that risk often then maybe AWD is a good choice for you.
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I had a S4 with quattro and now have a 440 with xdrive. Sorry to say this but the Quattro with sport diff wins out outright. It just feels better with the mechanical diff especially when driving fast in the snow. More consistency is the key.
Dry performance is better on the BMW due to balance but not the xdrive.
The A4 has the haldex and is similiar system to BMW so to get real AWD Quattro you need to get S4 or RS4 and the sport diff makes a huge difference.
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It's ALL about tires gents.
This. AWD systems help, but honestly do very little here.
Put winter tires on a RWD and AWD car and it is no competition in the snow or dry. Why do you think BMW put AWD on M5. Not because of customer demand but because it became a necessity once you reach a certain amount of power and you can't put wide tires on a sedan like you can on a sports car to provide extra grip.
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thought new quattro is no longer mechanical?
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It's ALL about tires gents.
This. AWD systems help, but honestly do very little here.
Put winter tires on a RWD and AWD car and it is no competition in the snow or dry. Why do you think BMW put AWD on M5. Not because of customer demand but because it became a necessity once you reach a certain amount of power and you can't put wide tires on a sedan like you can on a sports car to provide extra grip.
Let's make this simpler:

RWD with summer rubber = undriveable in snow
AWD with summer rubber = barely drivable/undriveable in snow

RWD with winter rubber = driveable in snow
AWD with winter rubber = driveable in snow

The difference is staggering.

Does AWD help? Sure, but not *nearly* as much as the proper rubber and sizing of wheels and tires. And comparing different AWD systems is like comparing apples to oranges. There are so many variables that contribute to each, saying one is better in snow than the other is silly. If you like one over another, great, but that's personal preference based on how *you* drive.

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