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      08-26-2019, 08:56 PM   #155
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What Trump has done and continues to do as POTUS scares the heck out of me and most of the people I know, including my Republican friends. The concern and fear we all share is that Trump could very well do something very drastic in his ever increasing demented mind to distract the American people from his very real personal problems that are currently being investigated. He is becoming ever more desperate to do whatever he can to cling on to the presidency in 2020, primarily so that he does not have to face his very real legal problems in the Southern District of New York, if he loses the election.

In his desperation, I am very nervous that he will do something that he believes will be very self-serving and not in the interest of all of us Americans, in his extreme and frantic attempt to rally more support for himself, as his poll numbers continue to decline. If we do enter a recession prior to November 2020, which many Economists are now predicting, Trump understands that his chances for re-election are greatly reduced. That is why he is wailing about floating outlandish possible proposals to reduce taxes even further and may even consider starting a war with someone, (i.e. Iran) in an attempt to rally and untie Americans. I do not think that would work and would have horrible national and international consequences. If all of this does not concern any of you then you are truly in denial, if not La La Land.....

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While I agree that the U.S. needs to play hardball with China regarding the trade war that he began, I think Donald Trump’s approach and actions are misguided, bizarre and alarming. They make us question not just whether Trump understands how tariffs work, but whether or not he has a full grasp of his mental faculties based on his recent comments and tweets. His behavior, statements and Twitter tantrums are moving past just being inflammatory and embarrassing. They are becoming increasingly alarming with his accelerating erratic leadership, spinning out wild conspiracy theories, proposing absurd land purchases, provoking racial and religious divisions and even using messianic language describing himself. Trump really thinks that he has powers and authority that our Constitution clearly says belongs to other branches of our government. He wants to be more than just an autocrat. He really wants to be an absolute monarch, but is currently acting more like the king with no clothes. I really think that he is losing it....!

The most recent examples are very disturbing and include the following:

- Asking Denmark to sell Greenland to us.

- Asking who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powell or (China’s) Chairman Xi?

- Stating that “our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking to for an alternative to China....”

I really do wonder if Trump understands that what he is doing could really adversely affect the global trading system, as Stanley Fisher, former Fed Vice Chairman has said. The U.S. economy would be doing even better if Trump would just leave it alone and cease his stupid, misguided and ridiculous tweets that make corporate leaders nervous and confused, let alone the rest of us American citizens. If Trump continues down his path leading to his fantasy rabbit hole while at the Group of 7 meeting in France, then the calls stateside for invocating the 25th Amendment will become louder and more prevalent.

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What Trump has done and continues to do as POTUS scares the heck out of me and most of the people I know, including my Republican friends. The concern and fear we all share is that Trump could very well do something very drastic in his ever increasing demented mind to distract the American people from his very real personal problems that are currently being investigated. He is becoming ever more desperate to do whatever he can to cling on to the presidency in 2020, primarily so that he does not have to face his very real legal problems in the Southern District of New York, if he loses the election.

In his desperation, I am very nervous that he will do something that he believes will be very self-serving and not in the interest of all of us Americans, in his extreme and frantic attempt to rally more support for himself, as his poll numbers continue to decline. If we do enter a recession prior to November 2020, which many Economists are now predicting, Trump understands that his chances for re-election are greatly reduced. That is why he is wailing about floating outlandish possible proposals to reduce taxes even further and may even consider starting a war with someone, (i.e. Iran) in an attempt to rally and untie Americans. I do not think that would work and would have horrible national and international consequences. If all of this does not concern any of you then you are truly in denial, if not La La Land.....

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What Trump has done and continues to do as POTUS scares the heck out of me and most of the people I know, including my Republican friends. The concern and fear we all share is that Trump could very well do something very drastic in his ever increasing demented mind to distract the American people from his very real personal problems that are currently being investigated. He is becoming ever more desperate to do whatever he can to cling on to the presidency in 2020, primarily so that he does not have to face his very real legal problems in the Southern District of New York, if he loses the election.

In his desperation, I am very nervous that he will do something that he believes will be very self-serving and not in the interest of all of us Americans, in his extreme and frantic attempt to rally more support for himself, as his poll numbers continue to decline. If we do enter a recession prior to November 2020, which many Economists are now predicting, Trump understands that his chances for re-election are greatly reduced. That is why he is wailing about floating outlandish possible proposals to reduce taxes even further and may even consider starting a war with someone, (i.e. Iran) in an attempt to rally and untie Americans. I do not think that would work and would have horrible national and international consequences. If all of this does not concern any of you then you are truly in denial, if not La La Land.....

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What Trump has done and continues to do as POTUS scares the heck out of me and most of the people I know, including my Republican friends. The concern and fear we all share is that Trump could very well do something very drastic in his ever increasing demented mind to distract the American people from his very real personal problems that are currently being investigated. He is becoming ever more desperate to do whatever he can to cling on to the presidency in 2020, primarily so that he does not have to face his very real legal problems in the Southern District of New York, if he loses the election.

In his desperation, I am very nervous that he will do something that he believes will be very self-serving and not in the interest of all of us Americans, in his extreme and frantic attempt to rally more support for himself, as his poll numbers continue to decline. If we do enter a recession prior to November 2020, which many Economists are now predicting, Trump understands that his chances for re-election are greatly reduced. That is why he is wailing about floating outlandish possible proposals to reduce taxes even further and may even consider starting a war with someone, (i.e. Iran) in an attempt to rally and untie Americans. I do not think that would work and would have horrible national and international consequences. If all of this does not concern any of you then you are truly in denial, if not La La Land.....

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What Trump has done and continues to do as POTUS scares the heck out of me and most of the people I know, including my Republican friends. The concern and fear we all share is that Trump could very well do something very drastic in his ever increasing demented mind to distract the American people from his very real personal problems that are currently being investigated. He is becoming ever more desperate to do whatever he can to cling on to the presidency in 2020, primarily so that he does not have to face his very real legal problems in the Southern District of New York, if he loses the election.

In his desperation, I am very nervous that he will do something that he believes will be very self-serving and not in the interest of all of us Americans, in his extreme and frantic attempt to rally more support for himself, as his poll numbers continue to decline. If we do enter a recession prior to November 2020, which many Economists are now predicting, Trump understands that his chances for re-election are greatly reduced. That is why he is wailing about floating outlandish possible proposals to reduce taxes even further and may even consider starting a war with someone, (i.e. Iran) in an attempt to rally and untie Americans. I do not think that would work and would have horrible national and international consequences. If all of this does not concern any of you then you are truly in denial, if not La La Land.....

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If he is scaring the heck out of you, then the Chinese probably feel the same. His erratic behavior has actually gotten him decent leverage. Korea, Mexico trade, Canada trade, all got done because of fear of "what Trump might do". It's worked so far, might as well let him try it with China. The only leverage China currently has is that Trump has a time constraint, they will wait to see if he gets reelected before they succumb.
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What Trump has done and continues to do as POTUS scares the heck out of me and most of the people I know, including my Republican friends. The concern and fear we all share is that Trump could very well do something very drastic in his ever increasing demented mind to distract the American people from his very real personal problems that are currently being investigated. He is becoming ever more desperate to do whatever he can to cling on to the presidency in 2020, primarily so that he does not have to face his very real legal problems in the Southern District of New York, if he loses the election.

In his desperation, I am very nervous that he will do something that he believes will be very self-serving and not in the interest of all of us Americans, in his extreme and frantic attempt to rally more support for himself, as his poll numbers continue to decline. If we do enter a recession prior to November 2020, which many Economists are now predicting, Trump understands that his chances for re-election are greatly reduced. That is why he is wailing about floating outlandish possible proposals to reduce taxes even further and may even consider starting a war with someone, (i.e. Iran) in an attempt to rally and untie Americans. I do not think that would work and would have horrible national and international consequences. If all of this does not concern any of you then you are truly in denial, if not La La Land.....

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If he is scaring the heck out of you, then the Chinese probably feel the same. His erratic behavior has actually gotten him decent leverage. Korea, Mexico trade, Canada trade, all got done because of fear of "what Trump might do". It's worked so far, might as well let him try it with China. The only leverage China currently has is that Trump has a time constraint, they will wait to see if he gets reelected before they succumb.
I think your right. I bet a lot of countries gonna wait until second term before they make any deals with him and then deals will start to happen.

These crazy republicans actually think he's made any deals yet (he hasn't yet despite what his twitter tells you) but I think your right and a lot of deals coming in second term
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I think your right. I bet a lot of countries gonna wait until second term before they make any deals with him and then deals will start to happen.

These crazy republicans actually think he's made any deals yet (he hasn't yet despite what his twitter tells you) but I think your right and a lot of deals coming in second term


I am glad you have come to terms with the reality that the trash that the Democratic party put up against him has ZERO chance of winning.
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I think your right. I bet a lot of countries gonna wait until second term before they make any deals with him and then deals will start to happen.

These crazy republicans actually think he's made any deals yet (he hasn't yet despite what his twitter tells you) but I think your right and a lot of deals coming in second term


I am glad you have come to terms with the reality that the trash that the Democratic party put up against him has ZERO chance of winning.
Hahaha. I was thinking the exact same thing.

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I just want Obama Back...
Curious as to which metric makes you feel that way?

Average unemployment rate:
Obama: 7.44%
Trump: 3.82%

Average DJIA:
Obama: 8,915
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Average effective tax rate:
Obama: 29.8%
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Listen, you're going to have to stop providing factual information here in BP OT. Upsetting the apple cart can have severe consequences.

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Curious as to which metric makes you feel that way?

Average unemployment rate:
Obama: 7.44%
Trump: 3.82%

Average DJIA:
Obama: 8,915
Trump: 22,069

Average effective tax rate:
Obama: 29.8%
Trump: 21.3%

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Obama: 594
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Curious as to which metric makes you feel that way?

Average unemployment rate:
Obama: 7.44%
Trump: 3.82%

Average DJIA:
Obama: 8,915
Trump: 22,069

Average effective tax rate:
Obama: 29.8%
Trump: 21.3%

Average American Serviceman KIA per year:
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Listen, you're going to have to stop providing factual information here in BP OT. Upsetting the apple cart can have severe consequences.

And I know you two are both smart enough to recognize why those first two metrics are skewed for the purposes of this sort of comparison.

Further, reduced taxes without the necessary reduced spending are a bad thing, not a good thing, for this country.

I'll happily give Trump all the credit for the 4th metric, though.
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I'd be happy with Trey Gowdy or Ben Shapiro. I think Ben in particular, has the ability to out-debate anybody. His Win/Loss ratio is stupid.
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I'd be happy with Trey Gowdy or Ben Shapiro. I think Ben in particular, has the ability to out-debate anybody. His Win/Loss ratio is stupid.
He (Ben) might be a match for James Carville, the best debater I've ever seen on TV.

Of course, being a good debater doesn't mean you're always right. It just means you're a good debater.
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He (Ben) might be a match for James Carville, the best debater I've ever seen on TV.

Of course, being a good debater doesn't mean you're always right. It just means you're a good debater.
Nor does it make for a good political leader.

And Trey Gowdy? GTFO with that nonsense.
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He (Ben) might be a match for James Carville, the best debater I've ever seen on TV.

Of course, being a good debater doesn't mean you're always right. It just means you're a good debater.
Cool, will definitely check him out. I was definitely coming at the thread topic from the angle of which Republican I'd like to see run against any of the many Democrats currently fighting it out for the nomination - in a hypothetical scenario where Trump wasn't seeking reelection. Great point though. I guess I'm putting too much emphasis on winning the debates swaying public opinion enough to win the election.
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That being said, let's here who you would want to run and win for the next election - or in a hypothetical world, who you would pick to replace him tomorrow under the assumption that it was possible.
Tulsi Gabbard made the most sense and was the closest we had to a centrist. Which is exactly why she was forced out.
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