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      12-26-2021, 01:49 AM   #5171
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I may be beating a dead horse but is there a reason why PD's haven't adopted 45s for issue? Recoil? Magazine capacity?
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I may be beating a dead horse but is there a reason why PD's haven't adopted 45s for issue? Recoil? Magazine capacity?
No benefit. Penetration and stopping power aren't that much better when weighed against magazine capacity, cost of ammo, etc. The 9mm loads we use are specific to law enforcement.
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No benefit. Penetration and stopping power aren't that much better when weighed against magazine capacity, cost of ammo, etc. The 9mm loads we use are specific to law enforcement.
The same reason many forces went to the .40 cal as well. 10mm were to hard to shoot for lots of people and the same is true of the .40 over 9mm. A .45 has zero stopping power if you can't shoot it or hit the target.
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I may be beating a dead horse but is there a reason why PD's haven't adopted 45s for issue? Recoil? Magazine capacity?
They did, years ago. Some still have .45s. I think MA State Police issues .45auto M&Ps. If not MA, one of the New England states.

Like Sedan said, modern 9mm ammo is just as effective as .45 and the pistol can hold more ammo. Also, training and supply costs less.
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Sedan, what type ammo are you issued? Federal HST 124g?
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Sedan, what type ammo are you issued? Federal HST 124g?
Yep, you hit the nail on the head; 147 grain though. We are also authorized to use two other approved ammo options.

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We use Speer 124 grain ammunition for training.

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Yep, you hit the nail on the head; 147 grain though. We are also authorized to use two other approved ammo options.
Lucky guess. The HST is the most popular 9mm duty round. Probably because the FBI uses it. I carry HST 124g.
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We use Speer 124 grain ammunition for training.
That box looks familiar.
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That box looks familiar.
Did your agency use Speer?
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Sedan, what type ammo are you issued? Federal HST 124g?
Yep, you hit the nail on the head; 147 grain though. We are also authorized to use two other approved ammo options.
What kind of nail polish is that? Just a base transparent layer correct?
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Sedan, what type ammo are you issued? Federal HST 124g?
Yep, you hit the nail on the head; 147 grain though. We are also authorized to use two other approved ammo options.
What kind of nail polish is that? Just a base transparent layer correct?
Post man-icure transparent base.
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Did your agency use Speer?
Tons of it. I might still have a few boxes in the basement.

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Tons of it. I might still have a few boxes in the basement.
Look what I found. We carried Smith & Wesson 40 cal 180 Grain T-series for street loads.
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Tons of it. I might still have a few boxes in the basement.
Look what I found. We carried Smith & Wesson 40 cal 180 Grain T-series for street loads.
Vintage! Love it.
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Vintage! Love it.
Vintage? Ouch. That box is less than 10 years old.
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Vintage? Ouch. That box is less than 10 years old.


These days that's considered vintage. J/K
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Here in NY you have to have a license plate on the front and rear of the vehicle. Registration and inspection stickers go on the bottom of drivers side windshield. But right over the border in PA, one LP on the rear of the vehicle with registration sticker attached to it and inspection sticker the same place as in NY. When patrolling do you see any advantages or disadvantages to either method of display?
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Here in NY you have to have a license plate on the front and rear of the vehicle. Registration and inspection stickers go on the bottom of drivers side windshield. But right over the border in PA, one LP on the rear of the vehicle with registration sticker attached to it and inspection sticker the same place as in NY. When patrolling do you see any advantages or disadvantages to either method of display?
Not really! As long as I can see the plate and run it over the air or via the MDC, that's all I care about. When I run the plate, I'll find out if the registration is valid or not, if the registered owner has wants/warrants, etc.
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Not really! As long as I can see the plate and run it over the air or via the MDC, that's all I care about. When I run the plate, I'll find out if the registration is valid or not, if the registered owner has wants/warrants, etc.
No front plate was an attitude adjustment summons for us.
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I had no front plate here in SoCal for 30+ years and never got cited for it. The law requires it here but I guess the cops were just cool about it. I now have both a front and rear plate because I got California Legacy plates, which are black and gold and I like the way they look.
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I had no front plate here in SoCal for 30+ years and never got cited for it. The law requires it here but I guess the cops were just cool about it. I now have both a front and rear plate because I got California Legacy plates, which are black and gold and I like the way they look.
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