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      12-04-2021, 11:34 AM   #5061
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Answer: Store owners should move.
That's what will likely happen, but the real answer is government should enforce the laws to protect businesses which is good for the economy and jobs. As opposed to protecting assholes.
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At what point in time will this madness stop? Here in Ontario alcohol is sold by government stores, the LCBO. They are the largest purchaser of alcohol on the planet (I kid you not). Over the past few years they have stopped engaging shoplifters. It is now routine that people walk in, fill their backpack or what ever and just walk out. Almost $100M a year in thefts.

On what planet is this acceptable?
This was also big problem here. Nothing was done. Staff and customers got assaulted.
Now, they let only one person into this closed room, take picture of id, and let em in the store. Next.
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This was also big problem here. Nothing was done. Staff and customers got assaulted.
Now, they let only one person into this closed room, take picture of id, and let em in the store. Next.
Hmmm. Don't need ID to vote but to get into a store. And somehow one is racist and one isn't.

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Ok Sedan, whats your take on this new requirement that was found in Bidens infrastructure that will require all new vehicles after 2026 to have automated systems to monitor driver performance and determine if they are impaired, and make a decision to disable their vehicle?

Not a lot of details yet, but it's being discussed here: https://f15.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1880977

I'm all for getting impaired drivers of the roads, but as discussed on page 3 theres issues with this from the legal side and safety side.
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Ok Sedan, whats your take on this new requirement that was found in Bidens infrastructure that will require all new vehicles after 2026 to have automated systems to monitor driver performance and determine if they are impaired, and make a decision to disable their vehicle?

Not a lot of details yet, but it's being discussed here: https://f15.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1880977

I'm all for getting impaired drivers of the roads, but as discussed on page 3 theres issues with this from the legal side and safety side.
This will be tough to implement. It's ambitious to say the least. I think it will be dead in the water, but it'll depend on a myriad of factors.
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This will be tough to implement. It's ambitious to say the least. I think it will be dead in the water, but it'll depend on a myriad of factors.
Britain has already taken steps to mandate speed limiters on all new cars starting in 2025 if I recall, and her in Ontario if you get convicted of impaired driving after your 1 year suspension you must install an ignition interdiction device that requires a breath sample before you can start the car. There has been a push to have these installed in all new cars by some of the left leaning politicians. I don't know if that will ever fly but given the way things are going I wouldn't be shocked.
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This will be tough to implement. It's ambitious to say the least. I think it will be dead in the water, but it'll depend on a myriad of factors.
HAH. I outsmarted the system yesterday. Got a good buzz on after golf at the party. They didn't catch me either. I had my recovered alcoholic sober passenger drive me home in my car. HAH.

They'll never get me.
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Hmmmm. Just from a curious mind that can't resist tinkering with things and trying to break them - I know that the breathalyzer ignition locks require a continuous breath vs a quick puff. I don't know exactly how they work to detect the alcohol on your breath, buuuuuut...would a small bicycle pump + balloon be enough to fool it? Ie, pump up the balloon real quick, pinch it off, put it over the mouthpiece, release the balloon, start the car?
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Hmmmm. Just from a curious mind that can't resist tinkering with things and trying to break them - I know that the breathalyzer ignition locks require a continuous breath vs a quick puff. I don't know exactly how they work to detect the alcohol on your breath, buuuuuut...would a small bicycle pump + balloon be enough to fool it? Ie, pump up the balloon real quick, pinch it off, put it over the mouthpiece, release the balloon, start the car?
I have considered that perhaps a ballon filled with a clean sample might defeat the thing, I also believe that it requires additional samples after a period of time. I'm sure if you want to beat the thing there are ways, but if you're loaded you might not have the motor skills to do it.
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I have considered that perhaps a ballon filled with a clean sample might defeat the thing, I also believe that it requires additional samples after a period of time. I'm sure if you want to beat the thing there are ways, but if you're loaded you might not have the motor skills to do it.
That's part of my curiosity - can the system detect between a previously-gathered "clean sample" and a fresh bicycle-pump sample? Are there additional indicators it scans for to determine if it's a human blowing into the mouthpiece? Could you get your dog to blow into it and have it work?

Don't mind me, I'm just always looking to break shit... always poking holes to see what someone didn't account for.
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I'm sure I disagree with the monitor and speed governor. I'm not so sure I disagree with a breath starter (in every vehicle, if so feasible).

If the car could detect my breath just as I enter the car and only turn on if I'm not inebriated, I'd be ok with this technology.
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I'm sure I disagree with the monitor and speed governor. I'm not so sure I disagree with a breath starter (in every vehicle, if so feasible).

If the car could detect my breath just as I enter the car and only turn on if I'm not inebriated, I'd be ok with this technology.
I don't think the, "subject all to [insert requirement here] just because a few can't handle themselves" approach is really the way to go. I rarely ever drink, but I still wouldn't want some arbitrary interlock device on my car.
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I don't think the, "subject all to [insert requirement here] just because a few can't handle themselves" approach is really the way to go. I rarely ever drink, but I still wouldn't want some arbitrary interlock device on my car.
I agree, but as we all too well know there are people out there who think that any control government can put on you to force you to comply with the rules is ok. These are the people who drive the speed limit in the left lane because the law says the speed limit is X so that's what everyone should be driving.
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Understood both of you, it sounds like you two are conflating hogging the left lane with driving inebriated. But I'll keep my opinion. There are a number of things we do because of other people (voter ID, background checks, passports, medical cards, etc.)

Driving is not a privilege and driving drunk isn't acceptable regardless of the situation (as opposed to speeding).
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Personally I’m more on the side of much stiffer penalties for people who do it than all this bs punish everyone because of a few bad apples who break the law.
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Personally I’m more on the side of much stiffer penalties for people who do it than all this bs punish everyone because of a few bad apples who break the law.
I understand that, and agree in principle.

My issue with it is: how harsh of a penalty would you accept for someone who killed your son because they were intoxicated while driving?

I'd rather have it be prevented.

And, no, it doesn't apply to gun control before someone jumps in and say they're the same. Maybe gun control to a mental unstable (intoxication is a temporary state of mental instability) would be the same, and aren't we all for that?

Again, if technology existed that didn't make me wait or do anything new (I.e. blow on a breathalyzer), but could stop cars from being driven by drunks, I'd be for it. Last one my opinion has been cast. Cheers
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In practice, the systems are likely just going to track driving behavior to see if it falls out of norm (e.g., driver is having trouble keeping steady in lane, driver can't maintain forward focus out of the windshield, etc.). The issue could be DWI, could be sleep deprivation, could be meds, could be heart attack, etc.. The system won't care.

If the system flags a driver as being inattentive, the car could navigate to the side of the road/exit. System can ask driver if they need assistance - if driver agrees, system can call for help (e.g., ambulance); if driver refuses, car just stays put.

Assuming this is the system behavior and technologically feasible, do people still object making this type of system mandatory?
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I understand that, and agree in principle.

My issue with it is: how harsh of a penalty would you accept for someone who killed your son because they were intoxicated while driving?

I'd rather have it be prevented.

And, no, it doesn't apply to gun control before someone jumps in and say they're the same. Maybe gun control to a mental unstable (intoxication is a temporary state of mental instability) would be the same, and aren't we all for that?

Again, if technology existed that didn't make me wait or do anything new (I.e. blow on a breathalyzer), but could stop cars from being driven by drunks, I'd be for it. Last one my opinion has been cast. Cheers
I am supportive of extremely harsh penalties, mandatory jail time seems like a bare minimum.

The cost of prevention in this case is likely exorbitant.

Honestly. A 500 dollar piece of equipment in every vehicle in America?

You are talking something in the order of a quarter billion dollars of cost. To save how many lives? Probably a lot fewer than you would think.

The whole concept reeks of “if it just saves one live” flawed logic.
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I understand that, and agree in principle.

My issue with it is: how harsh of a penalty would you accept for someone who killed your son because they were intoxicated while driving?

I'd rather have it be prevented.

And, no, it doesn't apply to gun control before someone jumps in and say they're the same. Maybe gun control to a mental unstable (intoxication is a temporary state of mental instability) would be the same, and aren't we all for that?

Again, if technology existed that didn't make me wait or do anything new (I.e. blow on a breathalyzer), but could stop cars from being driven by drunks, I'd be for it. Last one my opinion has been cast. Cheers
I am supportive of extremely harsh penalties, mandatory jail time seems like a bare minimum.

The cost of prevention in this case is likely exorbitant.

Honestly. A 500 dollar piece of equipment in every vehicle in America?

You are talking something in the order of a quarter billion dollars of cost. To save how many lives? Probably a lot fewer than you would think.

The whole concept reeks of “if it just saves one live” flawed logic.
I don't think you understand my point.
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I don't think you understand my point.
I’m saying prevention via technology doesn’t seem like a feasible option
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