Canceling Order...

SCA · 11-15-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by brucec32

I'd decide based on factors such as "do I need a new vehicle now or not?" If not, waiting wouldn't hurt. But BMW's have usually resold very well and when I was hunting for used 3's I didn't see much difference in the 323i vs 325i. Why? Because the performance wasn't that much different.

Timing also matters. If a vehicle was scheduled to be delivered before a new model year came out, that's a big difference. But if you were looking at delivery 9 months before new models arrived or something like that, well, you either want a new car or you don't. There will always be something newer and better around the bend.

As long as the cars perform well (and even the 325i does now) I don't see it being a huge factor at resale time if a new version comes out with slightly better performance. I do, however, see it being a huge factor in some egos. Is that the case here?

Also keep in mind that with improvements and upgrades to the 3 series line, you'll also see price increases. And since German manufacturers always charge exhorbitant premiums for better engines, I'd expect the price increase to outpace the performance increases, and so there goes the resale argument. Pay more, sell for more, it's a wash.

Some people like the car search and anticipation more than the actual delivery and use. My father is like that. They spend months researching and waiting to get just what they want. Then when it arrives the new wears off soon and they start thinking of reasons why they need the newer better version. One year into the design cycle, I doubt BMW is making any changes that most people can even notice in the driving experience, which is really all it's about. Winning drag races by a 1/2 car length with a newer model....yawn.

Thanks!

I actually liked the E46 323 over the 325. The 323 had more torque where the 325 had more Hp. The 325 torque was lower than the 323. I'm not really worried about the HP increase (20) if the E90 325 was to go to a 328, it is the torque that I am more concerned about. More torque is always a good thing.

BTW, I was told yesterday that BMW NA intends to cut dealer profit margins, again. So, expect to see dealer discounting not as good as it is now.

cntlaw · 11-15-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SCA

Let's see...well-kept E30 M3s will be bringing more money in the used market than an E90 is 5 years (including mine). Just a simple fact. Currently, low mileage, excellent condition E30 M3s are bringing $22-26k and prices continue to rise. Talk to me in five years...

BTW, at 34 I maybe old to you and some board others, but I am certainly not an old fart.

SCA,

World will recognize, it is the owner's honor to keep a E30 M3 is just

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I would not drive a 1988 M3 as a day-to-day car in order to lengthen its life-time. Take good care of it.

If you are not ready for a E90 , don't buy it and the money is still nice and warm in the pocket. Do consider a E90 M3/4 when time comes.

F32Fleet · 11-15-2005, 10:15 AM

The only thing that would worry me would be missing out on a bi-turbo gasoline engine. The lease on my E46 is up in June 2006 and I don't see the bi-turbo (ie. 335) on the horizon.

SCA · 11-15-2005, 02:49 PM

Crap! :mad: I am waffling so bad and it is crunch time. I must given an answer within 24 hours re: the order.

jmcphillips1 · 11-15-2005, 02:52 PM

Live like there is no tomorrow!! Get the 3 now and enjoy it and quit waffeling about. Don't wait or you'll be waiting and it will be to late.
So what are you waiting for...order your car!!!

SCA · 11-15-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcphillips1

So what are you waiting for...order your car!!!

It is ordered, built and in transit in Germany to the port of exit.

res_ipsa · 11-15-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SCA

Crap! :mad: I am waffling so bad and it is crunch time. I must given an answer within 24 hours re: the order.

Damn what you leaning towards? Maybe the answer will come to you in your dream tonight

jmcphillips1 · 11-15-2005, 03:47 PM

Good for you, you will enjoy it. And you will know that you did the right thing when the dealer hands you the fob and you drive away with the ultimate driving machine!!

SCA · 11-15-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by res_ipsa

Damn what you leaning towards?

60% cancel - 40% take delivery. It changes many times throughout the course of a day.

jmcphillips1 · 11-15-2005, 03:58 PM

Are you unsure about the options or the car in general

SCA · 11-15-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcphillips1

Are you unsure about the options or the car in general

I do wish I had ordered the heated seats, but with the recent info that the 2007 model year will see the 325 go to a 328 and 330 to a 335 plays a large part. Another issue, the car appears to have spent 4 days in quality control.

silverado · 11-15-2005, 04:12 PM

Can you live a year or more without an E90? How would your life be? Factor the price of that answer into the equation

jmcphillips1 · 11-15-2005, 04:13 PM

I do not know whether price is an issue to you or not, but keep in mind that the longer you wait the more expensive things will become. A 328 and a 335 are going to be much more than the 325 and the 330 simply due to the engines. Not accounting for inflation costs, labor costs ect. I bet both cars will at least be $3,000 more. They are high enough already. I even bet in Jan 06 the prices of 325 and 330 will go up at least $700. Both cars are fast enough now, but do what you want to do. If you put more into a 335 and don't mind waiting another YEAR for one then wait but also remember when they first change there will basically be no discounts so the car just got that much more expensive due to lack of negotiation. Just food for thought

SCA · 11-16-2005, 02:21 PM

I have yet to notify the dealer of my intentions. Still uncertain. Maybe I should just flip a quarter.

CALIF65GM · 11-16-2005, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SCA

I have yet notified the dealer of my intentions. Still uncertain. Maybe I should just flip a quarter.

dayum

peakpro · 11-16-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SCA

I do wish I had ordered the heated seats, but with the recent info that the 2007 model year will see the 325 go to a 328 and 330 to a 335 plays a large part. Another issue, the car appears to have spent 4 days in quality control.

how do you know that?

peakpro · 11-16-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcphillips1

I do not know whether price is an issue to you or not, but keep in mind that the longer you wait the more expensive things will become. A 328 and a 335 are going to be much more than the 325 and the 330 simply due to the engines. Not accounting for inflation costs, labor costs ect. I bet both cars will at least be $3,000 more. They are high enough already. I even bet in Jan 06 the prices of 325 and 330 will go up at least $700. Both cars are fast enough now, but do what you want to do. If you put more into a 335 and don't mind waiting another YEAR for one then wait but also remember when they first change there will basically be no discounts so the car just got that much more expensive due to lack of negotiation. Just food for thought

$3000 more??? I think maybe closer to 1k more.

Unless you really need a car right now I would wait at least january to see if any news comes out.

SCA · 11-16-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by peakpro

how do you know that?

How do I know what? 325 -> 328 and 330 -> 335 or my order spent four days in QC?

peakpro · 11-16-2005, 02:43 PM

sorry...
the 4 days in QC...

SCA · 11-16-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by peakpro

$3000 more??? I think maybe closer to 1k more.

Unless you really need a car right now I would wait at least january to see if any news comes out.

Agree...$1000-$1500 (max).

SCA · 11-16-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by peakpro

sorry...
the 4 days in QC...

Vehicle Inquiry status.

peakpro · 11-16-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SCA

Vehicle Inquiry status.

thanks...

i would cancel and wait...

i have a feeling your are a real euthisiast (sp?)and will kick yourself if the 335 comes soon...

also you want heated seats.....

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