Ford Debuts 7th-Generation S650 Mustang and New Dark Horse Performance Series

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by supra93

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/thr...y-ford.157145/

That looks awful

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

That looks awful

Minus the side graphic & oddly placed stuck on looking hood scoop, it's not that bad. Prefer the ground effects to be carbon fiber or at least painted vs cheap plastic look

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

That looks awful

WTF awful.

[supra93]

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/thr...uly-27.157328/

[Alfisti]

So I just watched the Throttle House review where they put the new stang WITH PERFORMANCE PACK up against the 1LE.

Predictably the 1LE has the better chassis by a mile but most concerning was apparently there is no longer a PP2 package and the previous PP2 stuff is now with the Dark Horse trim which is SERIOUS dollars. It's so bad that the previous gen PP2 spanked the new gen PP over a lap despite the new car having a mild HP bump.

What the hell Ford?

[billnchristy]

Hey, at least Ford is still building them...

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

So I just watched the Throttle House review where they put the new stang WITH PERFORMANCE PACK up against the 1LE.

Predictably the 1LE has the better chassis by a mile but most concerning was apparently there is no longer a PP2 package and the previous PP2 stuff is now with the Dark Horse trim which is SERIOUS dollars. It's so bad that the previous gen PP2 spanked the new gen PP over a lap despite the new car having a mild HP bump.

What the hell Ford?

Weight and not-serious chassis tuning. When Ford went IRS, it ended up heavier...even heavier than the equivalent Camaros. So it would need some pretty buttoned-down suspension and rubber. From the get-go, the alpha chassis was intended to be a serious competitor, to fit and be sold with tires wide enough to handle the power and forces. Ford will sometimes do some decent "serious" cars, like the GT350R, but they have a hard time trickling that down to cheaper specs and making the rest of the line similar.

[Rocket455]

Handsome-looking coupe; were I 2 decades younger and ~50 lbs lighter, it would be on the list.

[RM7]

And we had a G5 Mustang Boss out at AutoX last weekend. THAT one is a great car, despite having a solid axle (watts link). It's got a great HP to weight ratio and is an all around beast. It's a shame they didn't continue more in that idea with PP2.

[mjj]

Originally Posted by RM7

Weight and not-serious chassis tuning. When Ford went IRS, it ended up heavier...even heavier than the equivalent Camaros. So it would need some pretty buttoned-down suspension and rubber. From the get-go, the alpha chassis was intended to be a serious competitor, to fit and be sold with tires wide enough to handle the power and forces. Ford will sometimes do some decent "serious" cars, like the GT350R, but they have a hard time trickling that down to cheaper specs and making the rest of the line similar.

The Mustang GTD is a wicked car. That is a serious street legal race car.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by RM7

Weight and not-serious chassis tuning. When Ford went IRS, it ended up heavier...even heavier than the equivalent Camaros. So it would need some pretty buttoned-down suspension and rubber. From the get-go, the alpha chassis was intended to be a serious competitor, to fit and be sold with tires wide enough to handle the power and forces. Ford will sometimes do some decent "serious" cars, like the GT350R, but they have a hard time trickling that down to cheaper specs and making the rest of the line similar.

But the PP2 of the previous model spanked it, so forget comparisons vs other marques, the car cannot keep pace with it's own older brother. I remember Probst running the PP2 back to back with an F80 M3 Comp and it ran a better lap time at willow springs.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

But the PP2 of the previous model spanked it, so forget comparisons vs other marques, the car cannot keep pace with it's own older brother. I remember Probst running the PP2 back to back with an F80 M3 Comp and it ran a better lap time at willow springs.

The PP2 of the previous model spanked the new model, yes. And it took a while for ford to even do the PP2 on the old model. Steering was always an issue, but in general ford chooses not to button down their chassis for a long time. I don't know why, but right off the bat with the Gen 6 they were selling V8s with 255 rear tires. That's not enough rubber for that engine. Eventually chevrolet did the LT1 to match this, but years down the road, the "serious" performance models were released a long time before that.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

So I just watched the Throttle House review where they put the new stang WITH PERFORMANCE PACK up against the 1LE.

Predictably the 1LE has the better chassis by a mile but most concerning was apparently there is no longer a PP2 package and the previous PP2 stuff is now with the Dark Horse trim which is SERIOUS dollars. It's so bad that the previous gen PP2 spanked the new gen PP over a lap despite the new car having a mild HP bump.

What the hell Ford?

It's all about profit. They know fanboys will eat it up no matter what

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

So I just watched the Throttle House review where they put the new stang WITH PERFORMANCE PACK up against the 1LE.

Predictably the 1LE has the better chassis by a mile but most concerning was apparently there is no longer a PP2 package and the previous PP2 stuff is now with the Dark Horse trim which is SERIOUS dollars. It's so bad that the previous gen PP2 spanked the new gen PP over a lap despite the new car having a mild HP bump.

What the hell Ford?

how do i identify PP2 in the S550?

[G30M]

Originally Posted by RM7

The PP2 of the previous model spanked the new model, yes. And it took a while for ford to even do the PP2 on the old model. Steering was always an issue, but in general ford chooses not to button down their chassis for a long time. I don't know why, but right off the bat with the Gen 6 they were selling V8s with 255 rear tires. That's not enough rubber for that engine. Eventually chevrolet did the LT1 to match this, but years down the road, the "serious" performance models were released a long time before that.

is the RTR another name for PP on the S650 GT?

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by G30M

how do i identify PP2 in the S550?

Ask for the window sticker to be sure. When browsing autotrader I look for these wheels as dealers have NFI what they are selling ....

[G30M]

dumb question. i am unable to get a dark horse in Manual

is a dark horse in 10 speed auto any good? better than the S550?

is this the last V8 Mustang?

[Davil]

I once rented a GT with the 10 speed auto for 5 days. I wouldn’t recommend it. Who needs 10 speeds with a lovely V8? It’s a weird experience.