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      08-18-2019, 08:04 PM   #23
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‘90s??? I’m talking about the ‘50s and ‘60s.
Ok. you wrote "not that long ago".
I dont know how old you are but the 50's was way before I was born and pretty much consider long ago.
If you dont consider 60-some odd years ago 'long ago', what do you consider 'long ago'?
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Ok. you wrote "not that long ago".
I dont know how old you are but the 50's was way before I was born and pretty much consider long ago.
If you dont consider 60-some odd years ago 'long ago', what do you consider 'long ago'?
Yeah, I'm only 42, so I guess "not that long ago" needs some context. I kind of forgot I'm in a car forum, not a watch forum, so knowledge of watch history shouldn't be assumed. My bad.

My point is simply that lots of formally utilitarian things, from watches to "work boots" to Land Rovers, have now become luxury status symbols, so I guess it makes sense that G-Shock is working towards that, too.

I mean, there is even a solid gold, $70K G-Shock!

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Yeah, I'm only 42, so I guess "not that long ago" needs some context. I kind of forgot I'm in a car forum, not a watch forum, so knowledge of watch history shouldn't be assumed. My bad.
Sure, the watchmaking industry is maybe 300-some odd years old and the clockmaking industry 1000 or so.
But rolex isnt around that long as a watchmaker. In rolex' history, 67 years (ago when the subby was launched) is also quite a long time ago.
Rolex isn't Breguet.


But still then rolex was a luxury brand, being swiss and having an arsenal of gold watches, automatic watches (also uncommon back then) and such.
The submariner was an early waterproof watch, something which still quite uncommon in the 50's, and therefore expensive.
It wasn't a brand the average man (joe worker in the car factory) wore or posessed, so definately not the g-shock of its day's.
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Sure, the watchmaking industry is maybe 300-some odd years old and the clockmaking industry 1000 or so.
But rolex isnt around that long as a watchmaker. In rolex' history, 67 years (ago when the subby was launched) is also quite a long time ago.
Rolex isn't Breguet.


But still then rolex was a luxury brand, being swiss and having an arsenal of gold watches, automatic watches (also uncommon back then) and such.
The submariner was an early waterproof watch, something which still quite uncommon in the 50's, and therefore expensive.
It wasn't a brand the average man (joe worker in the car factory) wore or posessed, so definately not the g-shock of its day's.
Sure it was. Lots of working men saved up for a Rolex back then. I’m not saying a Rolex was inexpensive, but lots of military and dive teachers wore Rolex watches, just like they did G-Shock 30-40 years later. A Submariner was $230 in 1970, which equates to $1530 today. Not cheap, but not $8k. To put that in perspective, the Porsche 911’s price has risen to a bit more than double its price since 1970, accounting for inflation, but a Submariner has risen to over 5x its price in that time. After the quartz crisis, Rolex prices started accelerating.

Now we have $8k, and even $70k, G-Shocks, which is wild.
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Sure it was. Lots of working men saved up for a Rolex back then. I’m not saying a Rolex was inexpensive, but lots of military and dive teachers wore Rolex watches, just like they did G-Shock 30-40 years later. A Submariner was $230 in 1970, which equates to $1530 today. Not cheap, but not $8k. To put that in perspective, the Porsche 911’s price has risen to a bit more than double its price since 1970, accounting for inflation, but a Submariner has risen to over 5x its price in that time. After the quartz crisis, Rolex prices started accelerating.

Now we have $8k, and even $70k, G-Shocks, which is wild.
Well put. Good points.
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Now we have $8k, and even $70k, G-Shocks, which is wild.
But those are excessive models, just as there are excessive rolexen. Even back then.
An average G shock still doesnt cost 1500 bucks but rather 200 (they start at 100 I think?), so there is still that 750%+ price difference.
I don't call that being in the same league.


But yes, rolexes have gone up in price exponentially if that's your point. That goes for probably more luxury brands but rolex is definately one of the hottest items right now in watchland.
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it looks really nice but i don't feel like this type of watch can be appreciated for the price unless it's doing some Ironman's computer Jarvis type of stuff.. at least meet me at google/alexa level technology.
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But those are excessive models, just as there are excessive rolexen. Even back then.
An average G shock still doesnt cost 1500 bucks but rather 200 (they start at 100 I think?), so there is still that 750%+ price difference.
I don't call that being in the same league.


But yes, rolexes have gone up in price exponentially if that's your point. That goes for probably more luxury brands but rolex is definately one of the hottest items right now in watchland.
Yeah, all I'm saying is that, due to the quartz crisis, Rolex sport models transitioned from being tool watches to purely luxury items over time, so this could be the beginning of something similar from Casio.

Sure, you can still buy basic G-Shocks, but there's been a huge wave of higher end collaborations with various designers over the last 5-10 years, and those are usually limited editions that trade for several hundred, if not thousands, of dollars. It's a bit like the Supreme brand.
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Yeah, all I'm saying is that, due to the quartz crisis, Rolex sport models transitioned from being tool watches to purely luxury items over time, so this could be the beginning of something similar from Casio.

Sure, you can still buy basic G-Shocks, but there's been a huge wave of higher end collaborations with various designers over the last 5-10 years, and those are usually limited editions that trade for several hundred, if not thousands, of dollars. It's a bit like the Supreme brand.
GShock wont go the same way. Their bread and butter is cheap, affordable heavy duty watches.

What they are seeing and capitalizing on is that a lot these newer generation of watch wearers are more into the designer name than the actual watch itself. So where you or I or any other watch collector sees casio and g shock, they see the designer.
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GShock wont go the same way. Their bread and butter is cheap, affordable heavy duty watches.

What they are seeing and capitalizing on is that a lot these newer generation of watch wearers are more into the designer name than the actual watch itself. So where you or I or any other watch collector sees casio and g shock, they see the designer.
Agreed about the collaborators/designers. That being said, Japan sees branding a little differently, which is why the Japanese wisely created Acura for the US, whereas it’s still a Honda NSX in Japan. Like Seiko, maybe we’ll eventually see some kind of “Grand G-Shock.”
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NHK a global news outfit out of Japan recently (presently rerunning) two excellent pieces: 1) on Seiko’s discovery of a quartz movement watch. 2) on the initial product design of an impact proof watch the first G-shock.

Couldn’t find the video: the salient facts are - not sure how they discovered a small piece of quartz vibrates to a small electrical charge but, when they tried to use a battery to a small square shaped quartz it vibrated too quickly due to the short dimension making the register run fast, but they realized a small tuning fork shape the same width-x-length as the square acts as a piece of quartz twice it’s actual length, slowing the vibration and making it calibrate-able. Also if the second hand ran smooth like a mechanical watch the battery ran too fast so the had the second hand run at one second pulses and it lengthened battery life.

The G-shock was imagined when a Casio engineer’s watch fell to the floor breaking in pieces when he shook hands with a fellow worker. In developing G-shocks every component was redesigned that couldn’t withstand a drop from an upper level floor of their engineering headquarters.

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