Sign out
Bimmerpost
Login
BMW E39 5-Series Forum | 5Post.com
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read  
Go Back   BMW E39 5-Series Forum | 5Post.com > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-16-2019, 09:39 AM   #2421
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
5464
Rep
18,448
Posts

 
Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbanck View Post
It says so here: http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3480&mid=

Though this link no longer (I'm pretty sure it did earlier, see e.g. https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=31) mentions the 6GT as being discontinued!?
Thanks for the link. Regard the 6GT, perhaps they reconsidered, or perhaps BMW NA jumped the gun? That would not be unheard of. For example, if the announcement was made before it was determined that there was already a large supply of NA-spec 6GT vehicles or sub-assemblies in the pipeline, they may have realized it would be prudent to continue on into MY2020 for a few months. They could simply continue to sell them as MY2019 instead, but of course MY2020 would be more marketable (and this vehicle needs all of the help it can get in that area).
Appreciate 0
      08-16-2019, 10:55 AM   #2422
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
5464
Rep
18,448
Posts

 
Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ynguldyn View Post
May 2018
  • G01 X3 and G02 X4 are confirmed for engine upgrades for MY2020. 30i remains at 248hp, M40i gets a bump to 385hp.
ynguldyn, its confirmed at this point that this didn't happen for SOP MY2020. Any idea if it is still coming for MY2020 as a mid-year update or if it has been delayed until MY2021?
Appreciate 0
      08-16-2019, 01:10 PM   #2423
EvoFire
Private First Class
Canada
58
Rep
151
Posts

 
Drives: None
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Vancouver

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
ynguldyn, its confirmed at this point that this didn't happen for SOP MY2020. Any idea if it is still coming for MY2020 as a mid-year update or if it has been delayed until MY2021?
The ordering sheet for 2020 G01 and G02 in Canada shows updated engines. Are there any chance that it gets reversed? Also any chance we get different vehicles from US?

I understand different specs isn't entirely impossible, but I only remember it happening for rarer/smaller sales number vehicles.
Appreciate 0
      08-16-2019, 01:21 PM   #2424
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
5464
Rep
18,448
Posts

 
Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by EvoFire View Post
The ordering sheet for 2020 G01 and G02 in Canada shows updated engines. Are there any chance that it gets reversed?
The US pricing guide shows "B58M" (the new high output TU engine is B58O) for the 2020 X3 M40i. Also, multiple pages on the BMW NA website, including the just-updated configurator, say that the 2020 model still makes 355hp. The latter is far from reliable in general, but as corroborating source it perhaps has a little more value.

I suppose we won't know for absolute certain that the new engines aren't there until the vehicles arrive at dealerships. It's not looking good at this point.

Quote:
Also any chance we get different vehicles from US?
Yes, although as you say, that is not very common.
Appreciate 0
      08-16-2019, 01:49 PM   #2425
xlover
Major
No_Country
607
Rep
1,192
Posts

 
Drives: 2018 440 xdrive MPPSK
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2018 440 xdrive  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
The US pricing guide shows "B58M" (the new high output TU engine is B58O) for the 2020 X3 M40i. Also, multiple pages on the BMW NA website, including the just-updated configurator, say that the 2020 model still makes 355hp. The latter is far from reliable in general, but as corroborating source it perhaps has a little more value.

I suppose we won't know for absolute certain that the new engines aren't there until the vehicles arrive at dealerships. It's not looking good at this point.



Yes, although as you say, that is not very common.
In general BMW seems pretty poor at managing incremental updates to models... it seems the Launch-LCI-EOP rinse/repeat is so ingrained in them they lose all ability to communicate or logically manage what content gets added when acting outside that framework
Appreciate 0
      08-16-2019, 04:49 PM   #2426
mbanck
Private First Class
75
Rep
168
Posts

 
Drives: Skoda Karoq
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Munich, Germany

iTrader: (0)

That's a bit unfair, multiple models got off-LCI engine updates, like the F48 and the F34, plus they updated all Diesels to SCR/Euro-6d-temp in 2018.
Appreciate 0
      08-16-2019, 05:18 PM   #2427
Weiman
Second Lieutenant
Weiman's Avatar
Sweden
122
Rep
273
Posts

 
Drives: BMW 116i M-Sport -14
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Sweden

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by xlover View Post
In general BMW seems pretty poor at managing incremental updates to models... it seems the Launch-LCI-EOP rinse/repeat is so ingrained in them they lose all ability to communicate or logically manage what content gets added when acting outside that framework
Very unfair. They regularly put out press releases like this:
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...19?language=en
Appreciate 0
      08-16-2019, 06:42 PM   #2428
xlover
Major
No_Country
607
Rep
1,192
Posts

 
Drives: 2018 440 xdrive MPPSK
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2018 440 xdrive  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbanck View Post
That's a bit unfair, multiple models got off-LCI engine updates, like the F48 and the F34, plus they updated all Diesels to SCR/Euro-6d-temp in 2018.
No, the point isn't that they don't make updates its good that they do, the point is they do a poor job of coordinating them and communicating them.
Some examples:
You have an x3m running a fully different operating system than the lesser models
It's unknown which engine the x3 m40i is shipping with and different answers from different markets (maybe they are different but that goes to the communication item)
Several models that have the components but not being updated to driver assist pro, staying on plus despite pro proliferation throughout the model line

Look if you feel bmw is doing a good job of communicating with you as a consumer then that is your opinion, I feel it is not very good. I will use ford as a good example in this regard every year they tweak the mustang lineup (new model variants/ option changes) a bit and all the changes are usually pretty clear on page one of the order guide and in press releases. Not saying they are perfect but overall that's a better standard to set.
Appreciate 2
      08-16-2019, 08:07 PM   #2429
ynguldyn
Colonel
2942
Rep
2,149
Posts

 
Drives: battery powered tv on wheels
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
ynguldyn, its confirmed at this point that this didn't happen for SOP MY2020.
It did. Note the model code change from TS33 to TY93. TY93 uses the new engine.
Appreciate 2
Ilyam5401.50
mkoesel5464.00

      08-17-2019, 09:05 AM   #2430
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
5464
Rep
18,448
Posts

 
Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ynguldyn View Post
It did. Note the model code change from TS33 to TY93. TY93 uses the new engine.
Ok, thanks for confirming that. Amazing how BMW NA keeps getting worse and worse at presenting the facts. It make me wonder who in the organization is in charge of product information and how they manage to be so bad at it.
Appreciate 0
      08-17-2019, 04:36 PM   #2431
ynguldyn
Colonel
2942
Rep
2,149
Posts

 
Drives: battery powered tv on wheels
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
Ok, thanks for confirming that. Amazing how BMW NA keeps getting worse and worse at presenting the facts. It make me wonder who in the organization is in charge of product information and how they manage to be so bad at it.
It's even worse than you think. I've just checked bmw.de, which is normally more precise and up-to-date, its build tool still shows 265kW, even though you can see TY91 in the URL, and any lookup of a TY91 VIN will return "B58D" with 285kW.
Appreciate 0
      08-18-2019, 11:40 AM   #2432
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
5464
Rep
18,448
Posts

 
Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ynguldyn View Post
It's even worse than you think. I've just checked bmw.de, which is normally more precise and up-to-date, its build tool still shows 265kW, even though you can see TY91 in the URL, and any lookup of a TY91 VIN will return "B58D" with 285kW.
Wow, the disease is spreading!

Why B58D instead of B58O? I guess this four digit identifier doesn’t use the same system as the formal engine codes (B58B0O1)?
Appreciate 0
      08-18-2019, 04:46 PM   #2433
ynguldyn
Colonel
2942
Rep
2,149
Posts

 
Drives: battery powered tv on wheels
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
Wow, the disease is spreading!

Why B58D instead of B58O? I guess this four digit identifier doesn’t use the same system as the formal engine codes (B58B0O1)?
Right, because B58O would be O0, and here we have O1. BMW now uses a new sequence of letters for the four-letter engine codes you might find for example in ETK. This started with N63 but became more systematic with the TUs of Bxx motors:

BxxA - K1
BxxB - U1
BxxC - M1
BxxD - O1
B4xE - T1 in UKL models
B4xF - T1 in CLAR models
BxxX - any hybrid using that engine
N63B - N63T3
N74B - N74U1

What's funny is that Supra crowd now talks about B58C vs B58D all the time.
Appreciate 1
mkoesel5464.00

      08-18-2019, 07:11 PM   #2434
Biersmith
New Member
3
Rep
10
Posts

 
Drives: 2016 435i convertible
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Akron, Ohio

iTrader: (0)

G 23 Convertible

Ynguldyn-
With an end of production date of 8/2020 for the F33, can we assume that the new platform G series 4 Convertible will be available at the same time?

Thanks for the help.
Appreciate 0
      08-24-2019, 04:26 PM   #2435
Lindsaykoehler
New Member
United_States
3
Rep
7
Posts

 
Drives: X7
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arkansas

iTrader: (0)

Can't wait to see the X7M!
Appreciate 2
Wild Blue501.50
themnmd468.50

      09-07-2019, 12:55 PM   #2436
ynguldyn
Colonel
2942
Rep
2,149
Posts

 
Drives: battery powered tv on wheels
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

G80 colors, first info about the European 128ti.
Appreciate 2
mkoesel5464.00
JustChris8275.00

      09-07-2019, 01:28 PM   #2437
alex2364
Lieutenant Colonel
alex2364's Avatar
United_States
1024
Rep
1,571
Posts

 
Drives: 2017 M4 ZCP
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Northern VA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2017 BMW M4  [0.00]
Disappointed there’s no light blue like Yas Marina Blue. Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2019, 02:24 PM   #2438
ynguldyn
Colonel
2942
Rep
2,149
Posts

 
Drives: battery powered tv on wheels
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by alex2364 View Post
Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Because BMW doesn't want to sell two-box hatchbacks here.
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2019, 04:57 PM   #2439
kern417
Cheapskate
United_States
2073
Rep
3,219
Posts

 
Drives: 2018 440i / 2010 X5
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Cincinnati

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by alex2364 View Post
Disappointed there’s no light blue like Yas Marina Blue. Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Probably because the market is slow and saturated, so doesn't make sense to introduce a new competitor. Not many people here would be interested in a more expensive GTI with no track record.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by umizoomi View Post
As long as 3-pedals are an option, I will exercise my right to suffer the handicap and indignity of slower shifts and reaction times.
Instagram @kern417
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2019, 07:50 PM   #2440
bmrm396
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
263
Rep
1,509
Posts

 
Drives: 2016 F80 M3
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: sD, CA

iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ynguldyn View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by alex2364 View Post
Also, why would BMW make a GTI competitor and not bring it to the US? I thought the GTI is one of the better sellers here.
Because BMW doesn't want to sell hatchbacks here.
Whoa whoa whoa, can u please clarify on the seats? Do u mean to say the spy shots we've just been seeing are the standard ones or theyre the optional buckets?
__________________
Formerly addicted to e46fanatics
Formerly addicted to e90post
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2019, 08:09 PM   #2441
Miko M
///M
Miko M's Avatar
United_States
4330
Rep
2,830
Posts

 
Drives: M5/M240xi
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Wisconsin

iTrader: (0)

I wouldn't mind replacing mine X5 for X5M

Can't wait to be revealed... to huch is very soon
__________________
Life is too short...enjoy your life
///M
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2019, 08:21 PM   #2442
ynguldyn
Colonel
2942
Rep
2,149
Posts

 
Drives: battery powered tv on wheels
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmrm396 View Post
Whoa whoa whoa, can u please clarify on the seats? Do u mean to say the spy shots we've just been seeing are the standard ones or theyre the optional buckets?
Sorry, the latest photo is the optional buckets. I've edited my post. The key part is that they're coming to the States while all earlier M3s kept the coolest seats Euro-only.
Appreciate 1
bmrm396263.00

Post Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
future bmw, release date, upcoming bmw

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:02 AM.




5post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST