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      06-12-2019, 07:04 AM   #133
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Unlike Trump's rants, the establishment of that investigation was completely valid, of a believed attack on our country's election process by Russia and whether or not any American's were complicit in that attack.
Interesting that you seem to have already made you mind up about the legitimacy of the Obama administration's surveillance on Americans, including the opposition party's campaign for the Presidency. Especially in the face of mounting evidence of illegitimacy.

I'll stick my neck out and predict the Obama administration spying on Americans predates the Trump campaign, and likely involves actions against opponents of the Iran deal. This entire Trump thing is likely going to be exposed as a coverup operation seeking to obstruct justice being served on this lawless surveillance.

Hey I'm just some average guy with no inside knowledge. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Then again perhaps your ilk will be proven wrong. Time will tell.
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I can't provide evidence of revelations that may/may not come to fruition. That's why I called it a prediction. 💡
You said mounting evidence of Illegitimacy. The word evidence is in there.
I do see mounting evidence of illegitimacy regarding use of surveillance capabilities on Americans during the Obama-era. As someone as informed as you position yourself as being; I'm almost surprised you don't also see this brewing. Then again I think you still subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Trump was in cahoots with Putin; even after the Special Council refuted this absurdity. So...

Let this mature. I'm betting we'll soon learn a lot about the Obama administration turning our surveillance apparatus against their political foes beyond and before Trump ever entered the picture. This is far bigger than actions taken against Trump.
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Actually, from 2016-2018 I was all aboard the Trump Train but more recently have grown increasingly frustrated with regards to the wall, spending, and the "America First" promises that seem to have come and gone. While conservatives are being banned in mass across multiple online platforms he is silent. With that being said, he's done a great job with the middle east (as long as we don't end up in Iran for crying out loud), the economy, prison reform, and he at least tried with N Korea which is more than a lot can say. The man made the song "rocket man" tolerable, that's something right?

But what are my options here? Voting for anyone with a D next to their name in 2020 is a vote for socialized healthcare, open borders, lawlessness, trans kids, insanity, degeneracy. Or go with a safer vote, Biden the pedo?

Libertarian would obviously be my first option, and that vote would be wasted. So I will be voting for Trump in 2020 because it's the best I'm going to get. I also believe he will likely be the last republican president. And yes, he will win 2020.

But regarding my signature, no I don't believe DT and his team will be helping to fight against those "principalities and powers". Kushner has too much power and is all too cozy with the swamp.

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Actually, TDS is just a silly Republican acronym for more and more Americans realizing that they have been duped by a con man, a carnival barker and increasingly deranged narcissistic, pathological liar.
They are seeking someone, maybe anyone who they believe will be better than Trump, to vote for in 2020.

I am surprised in your feelings, since your signature would lead a rational observer to think that you would recognize when you were fooled and would want to correct that mistake.....

Ephesians 6:12, KJV: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

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He has most definitely spoken up about what's going on within the social media platforms. The investigation into Google that is ramping up...

Two months ago I said I could live with a Biden win.
Pffftt, not anymore. The China and Ukraine information alone killed that acceptance and tolerance. Add in his flipping flopping on a dock imitations the past few weeks.
Alissa freaking Milano calls him and he reverses his Hyde stance? That's not leadership, that's full blown pandering soaked in milk and toast.

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Omg, Joe, get up off your knees.
If he keeps what's her name in charge of his campaign I think he will miss the bus in the end.

I hope I'm wrong but I see Joe having a health episode. He just doesn't have what it takes to run. Lethargic, uninspiring and Trump would destroy him in a debate setting.

Of all the dems, crazy Bernie is the only one I see as having a set of convictions and willing to stand by them. Totally nutter convictions but convictions nonetheless.
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He has most definitely spoken up about what's going on within the social media platforms. The investigation into Google that is ramping up...

Two months ago I said I could live with a Biden win.
Pffftt, not anymore. The China and Ukraine information alone killed that acceptance and tolerance. Add in his flipping flopping on a dock imitations the past few weeks.
Alissa freaking Milano calls him and he reverses his Hyde stance? That's not leadership, that's full blown pandering soaked in milk and toast.

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The twinkles friends bracelets.
Omg, Joe, get up off your knees.
If he keeps what's her name in charge of his campaign I think he will miss the bus in the end.

I hope I'm wrong but I see Joe having a health episode. He just doesn't have what it takes to run. Lethargic, uninspiring and Trump would destroy him in a debate setting.

Of all the dems, crazy Bernie is the only one I see as having a set of convictions and willing to stand by them. Totally nutter convictions but convictions nonetheless.


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You made some good points above.

As much as I am against it, for Democrats, 2020 is shaping up to be the year of "Promising Free Stuff" and embracing your inner Socialist! If they follow their far-left base down that path it will lead to a rabbit hole that in turns leads to defeat….

Here are my thoughts on Bernie Sander, Beto O’Rourke and Pete Buttigieg, just as a starting point of the huge crop of declared candidates for the Democrat nomination for POTUS.

Yes, Bernie Sanders has been steadfast in his convictions over many years. But I do not think he would win in a one-on-one general election against Trump. I understand why many of the Gen Y (Millennials) and Gen Z (iGeneration), support his proposed policies since they would have the most to gain by them. But I also recognize that their youthful idealism and naivety, prevents them from understanding and accepting that most of Sander’s plans are not nutty, but are sadly. pie-in-the-sky, La-La-Land ideas that are totally unrealistic. They are, (such as Medicaid-For-All and free college, etc.), cannot be funded without dramatic (and unacceptable), reallocation of our current federal budget and a significant increase in personal and corporate taxes.

Beto O’Rourke has announced that he is joining the large group of Democrats running for president, IMHO, it seems as though too many of these candidates are self-absorbed and delusional about their realistic chances to become president.

First of all, at age 46, I think Beto O'Rourke is too young and not experienced enough with life, let alone politics, to be a viable candidate for POTUS. I was stunned by how much O’Rourke seems to be buying into his own hype. He just strikes me as a lost "dreamer" who didn't live up to daddy's expectations and is still trying to figure out what he wants to be when he grows up! I just think O'Rourke is so young, wishy-washy, and just "soft" - that I worry if he ever got the job, he could crumble under real pressure. While

On the surface, at 37 years of age, Pete Buttigieg (pronounced Boot-ah-judge), former Mayor of South Bend, IA, may not really have enough life experiences and accomplishments. At this point he may possibly be the smartest of the whole Democratic lot and seems the most politically gifted as well. I think we all need to keep an eye on this guy and I predict that he just may pick up steam in the primaries. What he does have going for him is the following:

1. He is a Rhodes Scholar and quick on his feet verbally - and let's face it, there's some people in this field who really trip over their own statements, (Trump, lol). Buttigieg would trounce them…
2. He is politically connected and well-liked by Obama and by other powerful liberal families, (Kennedys).
3. At his young age, he's poised to capture the large Millennial voter block (at least among Dems. and possibly Independents) - and he's playing the generational aspect to the hilt.
4. He has already made disparaging remarks about Pence and Trump - so he's not afraid to "go low".
5. He fits in neatly with the socialist democratic mantra that's sweeping the party right now – Medicare-For-All, Everything FREE!!, (apparently, he was a big fan early in his career of the Bernie Sanders)
6. And...here's the BIG one - he's openly Gay! Yes! GAY!!! (SHOCK!). (I mean, sure... he's a white guy, but the gay part cancels out his toxic male whiteness and gives him bonus points on top, for some groups. It's so hard to keep up with the social justice warriors (SJW) "rules" these days, but I do believe that on the hierarchy of special identity groups, a gay man, of any race, is still very highly favored, and possibly even above a straight white woman. And. let's face it, folks, after the Jussie Smollett fiasco, the LGBT crowd really needs someone to rally around!)

BTW, I am only half-joking here. So unless Buttigieg messes up spectacularly in the coming months, I wouldn't be surprised to see him remaining on the national stage even if he's not on the ticket for 2020. Do not be surprised if this guy ends up at least a VP candidate on someone else's ticket, such as a Harris-Buttagieg team…? Woman of color + gay man? Can you imagine…? The left will be swooning over the "optics" alone! More likely, Buttigieg would end up as a Cabinet member in an ultimate Democrat Administration. After all, I often feel like the Progressives are more focused on the identity politics than the actual salient issues and realistic proposals since they love those "firsts" more than anything!

So, it is probably safe to assume that neither the real youngsters of O’Rourke or Buttigieg will be running against Trump due to their youth. I also think other global leaders would think the same and would possibly be emboldened to attempt to test or take advantage of them. Therefore, I believe candidates for POTUS need to be more “seasoned”, as well as "tested" in some manner by their prior life experience before even thinking that they have a chance to become POTUS. That seasoning may be in the form of strong government experience, (Mayor, Governor, Senator, Representative or even a D.A. prosecutor, etc.), or a military background with actual battlefield experience, or some form of proven executive-level success in private industry (and particularly in a rough & tumble type industry)... but something at least that provided the candidate with a certain flinty toughness and “street credibility”. (and NOT Donald Trump’s shady business dealings, cheating Architects, Engineers, Contractors in his Real Estate projects, then declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying all together….)

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Actually, from 2016-2018 I was all aboard the Trump Train but more recently have grown increasingly frustrated with regards to the wall, spending, and the "America First" promises that seem to have come and gone. While conservatives are being banned in mass across multiple online platforms he is silent. With that being said, he's done a great job with the middle east (as long as we don't end up in Iran for crying out loud), the economy, prison reform, and he at least tried with N Korea which is more than a lot can say. The man made the song "rocket man" tolerable, that's something right? .


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At the very least, I share your frustrations with Donald Trump.

Regarding "The Wall", it is not a panacea to the problem, that its supporters naively claim it to be. Some form of border barrier is just one of a number of deterrents that we need to consider and implement as part of improving our border security. From my perspective, we need to greatly improve our overall border security, even if a “wall/fence/barrier” is just a small part of the solution to the problem. Border security includes immigration reform which in turn, needs to include a number of factors such as: E.verify; technological border hardening; Visa tracking; additional enforcement personnel; additional immigration Judges to process the massive increase in legitimate and illegitimate refuge asylum claims. These would all be in addition to sensible physical barriers that are determined by location and the natural topography and terrain. I would rather have this combination of deterrents as opposed to one long, unrealistic wall, with all of its problems and outrageous cost to us tax payers. Also, while not currently being discussed, what about dealing with improving the border security between Canada and the U.S.?

I have always speculated that Trump would renege on most of his campaign promises to what are his core supporters, who have so desperately supported him, (and still do so). Many of those supporters are the aging white working class, low information, non-college educated men and women. He has not and will not bring back jobs lost to other countries since the ongoing technological advancements in this country and abroad have produced new and improved technologies that allow manufacturing processes to be far more efficient, requiring fewer workers. Also, we cannot compete against the incredibly low wages paid to those foreign workers. It is important to note that those future American workers will be technicians that need a solid education and more advanced training than previous generations. The older workers who cannot or will not accept retraining will have to settle for minimum wage jobs. Our next President needs to advocate for not just a solid public secondary education system, but also a necessary and honorable national vocational training program in mechanical, electrical, plumbing trades and related fields, as an alternative to the college path, for those students to pursue as a viable option. Not everyone needs to go to college, but everyone does need an education.

I think we all know by now that Trump speaks in ambiguous slogans in English at the level of a 4th grader, appealing to those with grievances, promising great things. The blue collar workers, as well as those more well off financially who hear and believe Trump's stated position(s) on one, two or several positions on the issues, and who were willing to take a chance on him as their savior will, without any doubt, have become Trump’s next victims. Forget his campaign promises to provide new programs, where all we knew was that he said that they will be “terrific” or “fabulous”, without any further specifics of a thought out plan. He, along with Senate Republican support, are trying to gut Social Security and Medicare, essential to the demographic noted above, to pay for his tax cuts to corporations, him and the top 5%.

I find it ludicrous to comprehend that Trump's economically-downtrodden supporters even think for a moment that he cares a hoot about them. His entire life’s history has shown that he only selfishly cares about his own celebrity, fame and wealth, while showing no guilt or remorse of cheating others in the process to obtain those goals. For anyone thinking that President Trump will somehow even want to listen to the problems of the average Joe/Jane is naive, at best. He is only interested in his own Cult of Personality. President Trump is only interested in those initiatives that directly benefit him, such as tax policy, banking and investment regulations, government oversight of business, legal liability, etc. That would be consistent with every action taken and statement made in his life up to now.

Understanding the broader national economic situation, public education challenge, dealing with global climate change, and international diplomacy simply don't rise to a level that seriously engages him. International relations is one of my biggest concerns with Trump since challenging situations can develop quickly and demand decisive action without much time for consultation or contemplation. His na´ve threat to impose trade sanctions, starting trade wars with Mexico and China, without understanding that they are essentially a tax on the American public, is mind boggling...

Then his unexplainable and unwavering trust in both Russia's Putin and North Korea's Kim Jong Un, is very very scary. The President must be knowledgeable of the players, history and issues in order to be ready to quickly analyze, weigh options and act. Trump completely lacks the intellectual curiosity to study and be prepared and has been and will continue to be highly susceptible to making a bad decision with awful consequences for all of us.

I am not confident in Trump's (and Jared Kushner's), choice in supporting Benjamin Netanyahu instead of Israel, in general, or their blanket support for Saudi Arabia. It just does not make sense to me....

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You made some good points above.

As much as I am against it, for Democrats, 2020 is shaping up to be the year of "Promising Free Stuff" and embracing your inner Socialist! If they follow their far-left base down that path it will lead to a rabbit hole that in turns leads to defeat┬….

Here are my thoughts on Bernie Sander, Beto O┬’Rourke and Pete Buttigieg, just as a starting point of the huge crop of declared candidates for the Democrat nomination for POTUS.

Yes, Bernie Sanders has been steadfast in his convictions over many years. But I do not think he would win in a one-on-one general election against Trump. I understand why many of the Gen Y (Millennials) and Gen Z (iGeneration), support his proposed policies since they would have the most to gain by them. But I also recognize that their youthful idealism and naivety, prevents them from understanding and accepting that most of Sander┬’s plans are not nutty, but are sadly. pie-in-the-sky, La-La-Land ideas that are totally unrealistic. They are, (such as Medicaid-For-All and free college, etc.), cannot be funded without dramatic (and unacceptable), reallocation of our current federal budget and a significant increase in personal and corporate taxes.

Beto O┬’Rourke has announced that he is joining the large group of Democrats running for president, IMHO, it seems as though too many of these candidates are self-absorbed and delusional about their realistic chances to become president.

First of all, at age 46, I think Beto O'Rourke is too young and not experienced enough with life, let alone politics, to be a viable candidate for POTUS. I was stunned by how much O┬’Rourke seems to be buying into his own hype. He just strikes me as a lost "dreamer" who didn't live up to daddy's expectations and is still trying to figure out what he wants to be when he grows up! I just think O'Rourke is so young, wishy-washy, and just "soft" - that I worry if he ever got the job, he could crumble under real pressure. While

On the surface, at 37 years of age, Pete Buttigieg (pronounced Boot-ah-judge), former Mayor of Cleveland, may not really have enough life experiences and accomplishments. At this point he may possibly be the smartest of the whole Democratic lot and seems the most politically gifted as well. I think we all need to keep an eye on this guy and I predict that he just may pick up steam in the primaries. What he does have going for him is the following:

1. He is a Rhodes Scholar and quick on his feet verbally - and let's face it, there's some people in this field who really trip over their own statements, (Trump, lol). Buttigieg would trounce them┬…
2. He is politically connected and well-liked by Obama and by other powerful liberal families, (Kennedys).
3. At his young age, he's poised to capture the large Millennial voter block (at least among Dems. and possibly Independents) - and he's playing the generational aspect to the hilt.
4. He has already made disparaging remarks about Pence and Trump - so he's not afraid to "go low".
5. He fits in neatly with the socialist democratic mantra that's sweeping the party right now ┬– Medicare-For-All, Everything FREE!!, (apparently, he was a big fan early in his career of the Bernie Sanders)
6. And...here's the BIG one - he's openly Gay! Yes! GAY!!! (SHOCK!). (I mean, sure... he's a white guy, but the gay part cancels out his toxic male whiteness and gives him bonus points on top, for some groups. It's so hard to keep up with the social justice warriors (SJW) "rules" these days, but I do believe that on the hierarchy of special identity groups, a gay man, of any race, is still very highly favored, and possibly even above a straight white woman. And. let's face it, folks, after the Jussie Smollett fiasco, the LGBT crowd really needs someone to rally around!)

BTW, I am only half-joking here. So unless Buttigieg messes up spectacularly in the coming months, I wouldn't be surprised to see him remaining on the national stage even if he's not on the ticket for 2020. Do not be surprised if this guy ends up at least a VP candidate on someone else's ticket, such as a Harris-Buttagieg team┬…? Woman of color + gay man? Can you imagine┬…? The left will be swooning over the "optics" alone! More likely, Buttigieg would end up as a Cabinet member in an ultimate Democrat Administration. After all, I often feel like the Progressives are more focused on the identity politics than the actual salient issues and realistic proposals since they love those "firsts" more than anything!

So, it is probably safe to assume that neither the real youngsters of O┬’Rourke or Buttigieg will be running against Trump due to their youth. I also think other global leaders would think the same and would possibly be emboldened to attempt to test or take advantage of them. Therefore, I believe candidates for POTUS need to be more ┬“seasoned┬”, as well as "tested" in some manner by their prior life experience before even thinking that they have a chance to become POTUS. That seasoning may be in the form of strong government experience, (Mayor, Governor, Senator, Representative or even a D.A. prosecutor, etc.), or a military background with actual battlefield experience, or some form of proven executive-level success in private industry (and particularly in a rough & tumble type industry)... but something at least that provided the candidate with a certain flinty toughness and ┬“street credibility┬”. (and NOT Donald Trump┬’s shady business dealings, cheating Architects, Engineers, Contractors in his Real Estate projects, then declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying all together┬….)

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I said watch out for Pete months ago.
I didn't know about all his credentials you listed, but my gut grabbed enough from listening to him and knowing where many on the lefts heads are at.
However, as Maher said, he's too young. Baby face could hurt him if he makes it that far.

Now, as far as your blistering of Trump. My gut guides me on many decisions and I am grateful for having this built in radar. Business, relationships, whatever, I rely on it.
From the get go I felt Trump really wanted to get a handle on some our bigger scale problems and I feel he has done B- level work at accomplishing 'some' of them. Things that are important to myself, that is.

Back to your loathing of him and my instincts. You may or may not see what I see, but it tells me a lot:

Nadler has Trump listed as enemy #1. Everyone knows it and obviously Trump knows it. The man is and will do anything to get Trump out, locked up or run over by Wiley Coyote and his ACME steamroller. These two are oil and water going way back. They just don't like each other.

Nadler fainted and was rushed to the hospital a few weeks ago. He was only there for a very brief time but while in the hospital he got a
'Are you okay'
'You're tough'
'Get well'
call from...

President Donald Trump while on Air Force One heading to Japan.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but that alone negates your he only cares about himself theory, in my mind anyway, and shows he is not Lucifer by any stretch. That took compassion and dropping pride and politics. Of course Nadler's right back at trying to destroy Trump, but that's politics.


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I think you're spot on when it comes to increased border security and personnel as well as the need for education alternatives such as trade/vocational schools. You're wrong about the effectiveness of walls, just ask Isreal:

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/med...f%20attack.pdf

From 16,000 in 2011 to 20 in 2016. 99% reduction in illegal immigration.

On a side note, your seething condescension for conservatives and Christians gets tiresome. It oozes through your writing. Roughly a little less than half the country support Trump, very similar to Obama. And since they differ from you politically, they are:

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What if the choice were between Trump and another Republican? In the primary.
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What if the choice were between Trump and another Republican? In the primary.
It would depend on who it was, but sure.
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What if the choice were between Trump and another Republican? In the primary.
It would depend on who it was, but sure.
There is another one who is running? :
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There is another one who is running? :
Well he said ôwhat ifö.
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Just curious, what will you be wearing during said spanking?
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Just curious, what will you be wearing during said spanking?
Considering how many of you haven't read it, I could do it in a parka because I need some warm warming up gear and then I'd reach the end of the line.
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There is another one who is running? :
Mitt says he isn't, but he sure does seem to be keeping a finger in the wind.
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There is another one who is running? :
Mitt says he isn't, but he sure does seem to be keeping a finger in the wind.
Nah- Mittens is just signaling that he's a yes vote for impeachment in the Senate... Lack of evidence be damned.
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