Toyota Chief Driver Dies in an Accident in a LFA - Sad Sad Day

[Scoobe]

BTW search Boron steel or UHSS. They are found primarily in US and European cars. I'm not sure if recycled steel is involved or not. I do know Ford won a bunch of safety awards using UHSS though.

[Poppin Fresh]

That's unfortunate news on both parties. Hope the survivors pull through.

Let me just say it ahead of time: please no "faulty Toyota accelerator jokes." It's just wrong.

[3XTR3M3]

Originally Posted by rominl

the lfa has no steel, it's either carbon or aluminum

either way the whole talk on steel is silly, not like it's proven in this case strength of steel is the problem

and this is the nur edition of the lfa (track version), info hasn't been confirmed, but it seems like there might be no air bag on this car (again, not 100% confirmed yet)

And the car had a TON of electronics in it. Toyota is claiming it was a prototype.

[Scoobe]

Originally Posted by rominl

the lfa has no steel, it's either carbon or aluminum

either way the whole talk on steel is silly, not like it's proven in this case strength of steel is the problem

and this is the nur edition of the lfa (track version), info hasn't been confirmed, but it seems like there might be no air bag on this car (again, not 100% confirmed yet)

Only carbon and aluminum? Light but squishy.

[nlpamg]

that's horrible news. RIP.

[Chill72]

old man probably got a heart attack and veered off into oncoming traffic. Shit happens

[Scoobe]

Originally Posted by Chill72

old man probably got a heart attack and veered off into oncoming traffic. Shit happens

You're probably right. He might have been dead prior to impact. I don't think he would intentionally cross the lane line on a normal street. He probably was incapacitated.

[Serious]

Originally Posted by rominl

the lfa has no steel, it's either carbon or aluminum

either way the whole talk on steel is silly, not like it's proven in this case strength of steel is the problem

and this is the nur edition of the lfa (track version), info hasn't been confirmed, but it seems like there might be no air bag on this car (again, not 100% confirmed yet)

there is you can clearly see it deployed in the video.

[Chill72]

Originally Posted by Scoobe

You're probably right. He might have been dead prior to impact. I don't think he would intentionally cross the lane line on a normal street. He probably was incapacitated.

Especially since he is a proffesional driver and experienced one at that.

[Chill72]

These guys are talking about steel and other shit lol

[330CIZHP]

That was the limited 570 HP Nurburgring track-edition LF-A being tested on Nurburgring race track. RIP.

He was also the tester for Supra MK4 back in 1991.

He was a legend who built a world-class super car as his last masterpiece and died trying to perfect it.

Don't know who was at fault. Here are pictures of Nurburgring edition LF-A just hours before it crashed:





http://www.autoblog.com/photos/lexus...shots/#3106993

Here is his last interview:

https://secure.drivers.lexus.com/lex...st-Driver.html

Look at what he said. It is quite bone chilling:

"When we raced the LFA in Nardo, Italy, I thought I might not return to Japan alive. The purpose of this “test” was to evaluate the car’s durability at 200 mph for a long period. The race was in the dark with no lights on the track, plus there were birds flying at me—and imagine if a tire burst! We created the final LFA through these kinds of test experiences."

[3XTR3M3]

Originally Posted by Chill72

These guys are talking about steel and other shit lol

AH AH AH! buncha fools, EH?! pass me a cigar, capone

[x5mad]

What a tragedy, very sad news. He is to Toyota what i guess Walter rohl is to Porsche.

The passenger cell in the LFA looks intact. Stupid question but was he wearing his seatbelt and second i don't see any deployed airbags in the LFA.

carbon fibre is stronger than steel with higher torsional rigidity, this therefore does not make it very good at absorbing energy. It will transmit energy to weaker parts of the car and throughout the body.

[Chill72]

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

AH AH AH! buncha fools, EH?! pass me cigar, capone

No problem BUT you're gonna owe me a favor EH!

[Serious]

Originally Posted by x5mad

carbon fibre is stronger than steel with higher torsional rigidity, this therefore does not make it very good at absorbing energy. It will transmit energy to weaker parts of the car and throughout the body.

It's not that simple.

Anyone who thinks CF is more dangerous then steel please watch these...

(thats a direct hit into a concrete wall at nearly 180mph getting out with only a broken ankle).

other view.

[schoy]

In a head-on collison like this, no matter how safe the cars are built (crumple zones, advanced materials, etc.), the internal injuries one suffers can be enough to kill (e.g. the internal organs going from ~50 mph to 0 mph, and compressing against the ribcage, shoulder harness, etc. in less than a fraction of a second).

[x5mad]

Originally Posted by Serious

It's not that simple.

Anyone who thinks CF is more dangerous then steel please watch these...

(thats a direct hit into a concrete wall at nearly 180mph getting out with only a broken ankle).

other view.

You should read my post again. I did not make a comment about safety. I was stating the physics and the facts. The physics you cannot escape.

Your link actually proves my point. Look carefully at the F1 cars on impact. What happens? A million shattered pieces come flying off. What happens to the main carbon fibre body and under tray? You will see that it does not crumple to a significant extent. The energy is dissipated by all the hundreds if not thousands of components bending, crushing, cracking and then flying off. It's designed to take energy away from the main tub. Look at the cockpit. If you have ever seen one close up there is hardly any room to move inside it. It doesn't take much movement to crush the driver inside it. Look when it hits the wall and when the under tray smashes onto the ground, there is hardly any deformation, if there was the driver would not survive.

[kaykay]

Terrible news...

[noxredna]

Not to take it out of topic but please do not compare street legal road cars to Formula 1 cars....

The safety precautious in Formula 1 cars are not comparable despite their CF chassis construction.

The harness system, headgear restraint system, anti submarining mechanisms are all irrelevant for a road car.

Originally Posted by Serious

It's not that simple.

Anyone who thinks CF is more dangerous then steel please watch these...

(thats a direct hit into a concrete wall at nearly 180mph getting out with only a broken ankle).

other view.

[FStop7]

For all we know he was dead before the crash. WTF is all this talk about steel.

And what the fuck do F1 cars, where drivers are seated in reinforced monocoque tubs, wearing 6 point harnesses, $10,000 helmets and HANS devices have to do with street cars?

This place...

[Serious]

Originally Posted by x5mad

You should read my post again. I did not make a comment about safety. I was stating the physics and the facts. The physics you cannot escape.

Your link actually proves my point. Look carefully at the F1 cars on impact. What happens? A million shattered pieces come flying off. What happens to the main carbon fibre body and under tray? You will see that it does not crumple to a significant extent. The energy is dissipated by all the hundreds if not thousands of components bending, crushing, cracking and then flying off. It's designed to take energy away from the main tub. Look at the cockpit. If you have ever seen one close up there is hardly any room to move inside it. It doesn't take much movement to crush the driver inside it. Look when it hits the wall and when the under tray smashes onto the ground, there is hardly any deformation, if there was the driver would not survive.

I agree your previous post made it seem like the driver was less likely to survive due to the CF structure of the LFA.

Originally Posted by FStop7

For all we know he was dead before the crash. WTF is all this talk about steel.

And what the fuck do F1 cars, where drivers are seated in reinforced monocoque tubs, wearing 6 point harnesses, $10,000 helmets and HANS devices have to do with street cars?

This place...

You can see in the video he was wearing some sort of harness.

The only reason I posted an f1 video is to show that CF structure of the LFA likely increased his odds at living vs. a steel/aluminum structure.

Originally Posted by noxredna

Not to take it out of topic but please do not compare street legal road cars to Formula 1 cars....

The safety precautious in Formula 1 cars are not comparable despite their CF chassis construction.

The harness system, headgear restraint system, anti submarining mechanisms are all irrelevant for a road car.

Wasn't trying to compare them, just showing what a properly designed monocoque can withstand. Im not denying that the addition of a helmet and HANS plays a huge part in safety.

[bikesbikes]

this is horrible news. what a sad day