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View Poll Results: Which amendment is more important?
1st amendment 23 41.82%
2nd Amendment 27 49.09%
I don't care 5 9.09%
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      02-19-2019, 05:18 PM   #23
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I was going to say the 21st
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I like to think there was a conversation after the Constitution was written, after all the pens were down, that somebody said "All right boys, what are we forgetting?" A lively discussion ensued, culminated with someone rising to his feet with a loud voice "All right now, everybody gets a turn, in this country everybody has a voice." Everybody stopped and looked at him, light bulbs going off over their heads. How could we forget that? That's why we left England in the first place! Thus the emphasis on freedom in the First Amendment. Then another discussion about how to ensure this first right was not snuffed by a tyrannical government. Thus the Second.

Of course, it didn't happen like that - but it could have, it fits...
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One of the very first things a socialist/ communist despot does when taking control of a country is to take firearms always from civilians leaving only their personal military with weapons. Can any libs here answer why they do that?
So we don't run out of JDAM like we did in Iraq bombing guys who are shooting at us with AKs.
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One of the very first things a socialist/ communist despot does when taking control of a country is to take firearms always from civilians leaving only their personal military with weapons. Can any libs here answer why they do that?
"Can any libs answer that?"
Not a loaded question at all.

In which countries were the guns taken away? Not many countries have the gun ownership that our country has.

But there are so many examples of a dictatorship taking over the press and the information.
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But there are so many examples of a dictatorship taking over the press and the information.
Which is almost always step 1.
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I know it's tough guy cool to say the 2nd amendment but freedom of speech is what this country is all about. I support gun rights and the Second amendment but let's not act like we are one step away from protecting ourselves with a handgun from the military
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I know it's tough guy cool to say the 2nd amendment but freedom of speech is what this country is all about. I support gun rights and the Second amendment but let's not act like we are one step away from protecting ourselves with a handgun from the military
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In which countries were the guns taken away?
Is that a serious question? Not trying to offend, but,,, Huh?
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"Can any libs answer that?"
Not a loaded question at all.

In which countries were the guns taken away? Not many countries have the gun ownership that our country has.

But there are so many examples of a dictatorship taking over the press and the information.
+1

Which countries had liberal gun rights that had them removed by a socialist/ communist despot which then took over the country?
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In which countries were the guns taken away?
Is that a serious question? Not trying to offend, but,,, Huh?
Right after the peasants used those guns to overthrow the previous government.

Which brings me back to my earlier point..
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In which countries were the guns taken away?
Is that a serious question? Not trying to offend, but,,, Huh?
I'm not offended. I put the question out there so we can have a lively & friendly debate.
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Poll fails.
There needs to be a 4th selection 'This poll is idiotic'
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I know it's tough guy cool to say the 2nd amendment but freedom of speech is what this country is all about. I support gun rights and the Second amendment but let's not act like we are one step away from protecting ourselves with a handgun from the military
There was a whole bunch of folks in late 1930's in Europe who would disagree with you, the Jews. Many other cases of genocide of unarmed civilians wishing they had something to fight back with. It's a running theme in history.
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I know it's tough guy cool to say the 2nd amendment but freedom of speech is what this country is all about. I support gun rights and the Second amendment but let's not act like we are one step away from protecting ourselves with a handgun from the military
There was a whole bunch of folks in late 1930's in Europe who would disagree with you, the Jews. Many other cases of genocide of unarmed civilians wishing they had something to fight back with. It's a running theme in history.
So the small Jewish population was going to defeat the German Army and the rest of the German population?
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So the small Jewish population was going to defeat the German Army and the rest of the German population?
Yup, there was only about 6 million Jews murdered during that time, small amount? Holy cow, you're really out there.
You know what's smaller? Less then 3 million people. That's about the total amount of German soldiers killed during the war, half the amount of Jews butchered.
Nobody said anything about defeating them single handedly but they sure would have slowed them down a bunch in their glee to shove them in gas chambers saving Jewish lives and guess what, they would have killed a bunch of them and saved may Allied soldiers lives in the process.
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So untrained civilians were going to impede an army?

An army that rolled across Europe?

Let's not forget how the Third Reich came to power. Hint, they were voted in.
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So untrained civilians were going to impede an army?

An army that rolled across Europe?

Let's not forget how the Third Reich came to power. Hint, they were voted in.
Perhaps in your liberal grade school you learned of something called the American Revolution. Mostly a group of rag tag civilians defeated the strongest Army in the world at the time.
Obviously you don't even know what the word impede means. If you don't think that taking fire from many armed citizens in the Warsaw ghetto wouldn't have slowed them down you're nuts. Some did fight back in Warsaw and demonstrates the very small number of fighting Jews gave the Nazis fits killing them and slowing them down.
Here's a hint for you swifty. I brought up Germany in response to infinite kids post, my post had nothing to do with a coupe.
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I love the insults, keep going. It makes your argument stronger. You obviously learned in your conservative grade school that if it wasn't for foreign intervention, the French, we probably would have lost the our bid for freedom.

But back to Germany for a second, the reason I brought up that the Third Reich was brought into power was from the power of the vote. It was a populist platform. It wasn't the German Army or the SS that would've been the bigger problem, it would have been the other, armed German citizens that would have been the problem. The German citizens that voted for it. Unless you think only the Jewish population would have been armed?

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PPS: if you're going to insult someone's education, try to use proper grammar
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I love the insults, keep going. It makes your argument stronger. You obviously learned in your conservative grade school that if it wasn't for foreign intervention, the French, we probably would have lost the our bid for freedom.

But back to Germany for a second, the reason I brought up that the Third Reich was brought into power was from the power of the vote. It was a populist platform. It wasn't the German Army or the SS that would've been the bigger problem, it would have been the other, armed German citizens that would have been the problem. The German citizens that voted for it. Unless you think only the Jewish population would have been armed?

PS: a coupe is a car with two doors

PPS: if you're going to insult someone's education, try to use proper grammar
And for sure if American citizens didn't take up their guns we'd still be flying the Union Jack.
You lost all credibility when you said a small Jewish population and now trying to spin it with more nonsense saying German civilians would have been more of a problem then the army that in your words, rolled across Europe.
I hit an E by accident, without thinking in my post. Touché, you got me.

Bottom line, you think it would be crazy for Jews to have protected themselves with their own weapons, you make that crystal clear, got it.
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You seem to be under the illusion that the entire armed citizenry would be fighting united for the same cause. The Jewish population would not be the only armed civilians. It's a poor example because the people voted those people into power. Unless you think all those other citizens that agreed with Hitler and his message would have done nothing?

Perhaps you can recall when the armed populace didn't agree with each other? I think we called that little thing the US Civil War.
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There was a whole bunch of folks in late 1930's in Europe who would disagree with you, the Jews. Many other cases of genocide of unarmed civilians wishing they had something to fight back with. It's a running theme in history.
The Holocaust didn’t occur because the Nazis enacted laws that took guns away from the Jews. To suggest otherwise is asinine.
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