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      05-06-2018, 09:00 PM   #45
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CNN has held no credibility for me since Bush-Gore and they've only become worse over time with the nadir being the Trump-Clinton election.
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Thank you, and I understand you at least accept other views but we need opinions from both sides to make our own decisions and CNN is more accurate, in my opinion than Fox, with the exception of Chris Wallace. Enjoyed watching him today, but the shows following were pure malarkey-conspiracy, etc; the FBI made mistakes, and very misleading for people that cannot read.
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CNN has held no credibility for me since Bush-Gore and they've only become worse over time with the nadir being the Trump-Clinton election.
Do you remember when they were just a news station...like the local news, and just reported stories around the country with reporters and no panels?
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      05-06-2018, 09:27 PM   #48
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Thank you, and I understand you at least accept other views but we need opinions from both sides to make our own decisions and CNN is more accurate, in my opinion than Fox, with the exception of Chris Wallace. Enjoyed watching him today, but the shows following were pure malarkey-conspiracy, etc; the FBI made mistakes, and very misleading for people that cannot read.
You're welcome. I tend to read most of my news and form my opinions from the breadth and depth of that which I read. As I've said before, my main problem with CNN is their assertion that they are unbiased which is a lie. Fox doesn't pretend to be unbiased which, in its own way, is more honest.

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Do you remember when they were just a news station...like the local news, and just reported stories around the country with reporters and no panels?
The good ol' days!
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You're welcome. I tend to read most of my news and form my opinions from the breadth and depth of that which I read. As I've said before, my main problem with CNN is their assertion that they are unbiased which is a lie. Fox doesn't pretend to be unbiased which, in its own way, is more honest.

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The good ol' days!
Would you mind expanding on the bush-gore thing you mentioned? Dont mean to contest what you are saying-just wish to hear your thoughts.
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Would you mind expanding on the bush-gore thing you mentioned? Dont mean to contest what you are saying-just wish to hear your thoughts.
Absolutely. When discussing the respective tax plans of the candidates they labeled the plan by Mr. Bush a, "Tax Scheme" and the Mr. Gore's tax plan as well-reasoned and thought out.

And while very subtle shifts in language, the damage is unquestioned. This type of subtle writing is common on CNN and a many other networks.
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Absolutely. When discussing the respective tax plans of the candidates they labeled the plan by Mr. Bush a, "Tax Scheme" and the Mr. Gore's tax plan as well-reasoned and thought out.

And while very subtle shifts in language, the damage is unquestioned. This type of subtle writing is common on CNN and a many other networks.
Ok, thanks. Been a long time and do not recall the respective plans. Will have to research.
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apparently, these were the talking points:
Gore vs. Bush on tax cut plans
Gore plan

Vice President Al Gore, presumptive Democratic nominee for president, unveiled a package of tax proposals that would cost $500 billion over 10 years. Highlights:

Expand tax credits for day care.

Allow parents who stay at home with infants to use child care tax credits by claiming assumed child care expenses of $500.

Provide tax credits for after-school care.

Give a $3,000 tax credit for long-term care.

Expand earned income tax credit for poor Americans.

Give married couples the same standard deduction as if they were single.


Bush plan

Texas Gov. George W. Bush, presumptive Republican nominee, proposes a tax cut of $1.3 trillion over 10 years, primarily with an across-the-board income tax reduction. Highlights:

Double child credit to $1,000.

Replace five-rate income tax structure of 15, 28, 31, 36 and 39.6 percent with four lower rates: 10, 15, 25 and 33 percent.

Increase annual contribution limit on Educational Savings Accounts from $500 to $5,000 and expand them beyond college down to kindergarten.

Eliminate the so-called death tax on estates of deceased persons.

Restore 10 percent deduction for two-income married couples.

Eliminate the Social Security earnings test.



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apparently, these were the talking points:
Gore vs. Bush on tax cut plans
Gore plan

Vice President Al Gore, presumptive Democratic nominee for president, unveiled a package of tax proposals that would cost $500 billion over 10 years. Highlights:

Expand tax credits for day care.

Allow parents who stay at home with infants to use child care tax credits by claiming assumed child care expenses of $500.

Provide tax credits for after-school care.

Give a $3,000 tax credit for long-term care.

Expand earned income tax credit for poor Americans.

Give married couples the same standard deduction as if they were single.


Bush plan

Texas Gov. George W. Bush, presumptive Republican nominee, proposes a tax cut of $1.3 trillion over 10 years, primarily with an across-the-board income tax reduction. Highlights:

Double child credit to $1,000.

Replace five-rate income tax structure of 15, 28, 31, 36 and 39.6 percent with four lower rates: 10, 15, 25 and 33 percent.

Increase annual contribution limit on Educational Savings Accounts from $500 to $5,000 and expand them beyond college down to kindergarten.

Eliminate the so-called death tax on estates of deceased persons.

Restore 10 percent deduction for two-income married couples.

Eliminate the Social Security earnings test.



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Thanks. These are the aspects of the respective plans. The editorial lead-in to the discussion of the plans is where the bias comes into play. They do this quite often.

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You're welcome. I tend to read most of my news and form my opinions from the breadth and depth of that which I read. As I've said before, my main problem with CNN is their assertion that they are unbiased which is a lie. Fox doesn't pretend to be unbiased which, in its own way, is more honest.

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The tagline "Fair and Balanced" wasn't asserting a lack of bias? The change to "Most Watched, Most Trusted" or whatever was less than a year ago....
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You know im watching cnn here and vice president Pence is conducting a speech. Soon after the President will also conduct a speech. Thing is...

I would rather listen to the vice president than a panel of scandle crazy democrat pseudo-journalists droning endlessly on the latest and greatest story the msm can come up with.

Can i just listen to the vice president speak?
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Thanks. These are the aspects of the respective plans. The editorial lead-in to the discussion of the plans is where the bias comes into play. They do this quite often.

Cheers-mk
For the life of me I can't remember if any of those promises came through. Mostly remember the election, the dangling chads, 9/11, weapons of mass destruction, shock and awe and the whole Iraq war it seems being on TV including the execution of Saddam.

And then, the horrible recession.
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For the life of me I can't remember if any of those promises came through. Mostly remember the election, the dangling chads, 9/11, weapons of mass destruction, shock and awe and the whole Iraq war it seems being on TV including the execution of Saddam.

And then, the horrible recession.
LOL!!

Same here. I wonder if the name, "Chad" went down in popularity from that part of the entire debacle. I really believe that Bush-Gore was real the beginning of the schism that we are seeing today.

Cheers, my friend - mk

P.S. Don't forget the real advent of the 24hr news cycle.
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Fox News and CNN are both controlled opposition when it comes down to it.

But consider this. Fox is 70% pro-Trump, 30% never-Trump. What is CNN's ratio? How about MSNBC? How about literally every other media network?
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Fox News and CNN are both controlled opposition when it comes down to it.

But consider this. Fox is 70% pro-Trump, 30% never-Trump. What is CNN's ratio? How about MSNBC? How about literally every other media network?
This could be true, although an occasional brave conservative ends up on CNN but even they have trouble justifying some of the daily assaults on our intelligence by the administration. Fox more "blindeye", CNN more into aggressively seeking and discovering abuses. Yet, its good to watch or listen to both, in my opinion. There clearly is something wrong here and it is chaos almost every day for the administration.
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This could be true, although an occasional brave conservative ends up on CNN but even they have trouble justifying some of the daily assaults on our intelligence by the administration. Fox more "blindeye", CNN more into aggressively seeking and discovering abuses. Yet, its good to watch or listen to both, in my opinion. There clearly is something wrong here and it is chaos almost every day for the administration.
Is it really chaos? Or is it a construct of chaos crafted in your mind via the way that things are being reported?
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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...king-ring.html

CNN's April Ryan slammed for tweeting article about Trump running child-trafficking ring
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Fox News is the network run by sexual predators. That creepy Bill O'Reilly settled one of his many harrasement cases for over $30 million dollars! You know it must have been really bad for that kind of hush money.
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That passed when dinosaurs roamed the earth.....
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Is it really chaos? Or is it a construct of chaos crafted in your mind via the way that things are being reported?
As mentioned, I do go out of my way to watch and listen to Fox and CNN, MSNBC and local stuff, read WSJ and two other newspapers and when I've had enough, I like the exploits of the Gas Monkey Garage for a little relief. haha
But yeah, it is pretty much chaos and its not controlled chaos. The problem is that there is just way to much going on to do anything well for the administration. Too many projects, not enough help to get them done.
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CNN's April Ryan slammed for tweeting article about Trump running child-trafficking ring
Was the ring run out of the basement of a DC pizza shop, by chance?


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