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      06-04-2019, 01:03 PM   #551
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This x10000. I will never purchase a vehicle with a transverse mounted engine, unless I absolutely have to for some reason.
Not sure why.

I have a tuned F56 Cooper S and that car is seriously more fun than my 360 Spider and far more fun than my BMW.


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Interesting. I thought the RS3 was a great handling car that could send 100% to the rear wheels if needed. I also love that 5 cylinder engine but the car is waaaaay too small.
So buy an RS5?

Not everyone wants their cars to be the size of small yachts. I love small cars and find the A3 bordering being too big. I love the A1.


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Has the lack of a manual option for the USA been positively confirmed, or is this all just speculation? UK and Europe will certainly get a manual in this platform.
I'd be curious about this as well. FWD isn't really that big of a deal - and will probably gain more buyers than missing RWD would lose. Having no manual transmission really eliminates the ability to call this car a true 'drivers car' and just makes it one more random sedan.
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Has the lack of a manual option for the USA been positively confirmed, or is this all just speculation? UK and Europe will certainly get a manual in this platform.
The "upcoming Model Info" thread has all but confirmed that the car will be auto-only in the US. I think the F40 1-series might get a manual on 116i trim or some other lower trim, but the AWD and 35i trims will be offered just with 8-spd autos.
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Not sure why.

I have a tuned F56 Cooper S and that car is seriously more fun than my 360 Spider and far more fun than my BMW.

A big part of it comes down to working on cars with transverse engines/fwd, have to remove too much stuff to do maintenance to the front suspension/drivetrain and practically pull apart the whole front of the cars to change a clutch(remove tranny). Also just the actual handling of decent hp fwd cars, any that I have driven just can't match a proper RWD car.
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A big part of it comes down to working on cars with transverse engines/fwd, have to remove too much stuff to do maintenance to the front suspension/drivetrain and practically pull apart the whole front of the cars to change a clutch(remove tranny). Also just the actual handling of decent hp fwd cars, any that I have driven just can't match a proper RWD car.
Again - YMMV, but I agree with most of the handling concerns when putting a car on a racetrack, but let's be honest, nearly no one does that. Running around town, or even through curvy mountain roads, I've found my Cooper S to be nearly as entertaining as my Ferrari for a fraction of the cost. The BMW didn't even compare to either of them.

With respect to repairing - I don't typically do any major repairs myself on my cars, but for minor things like fluid changes, belts and hoses, and plugs, coils, and things like that, I've found that the BMW was as complicated and sometimes more so than any FWD car I've owned.

Don't get me wrong - I love RWD cars and still think the 360, my past Miata, and old Alfa spider were probably the most fun cars I've ever owned. That said, don't discount FWD 'just because'. It has it's place too and can be a blast on the right platform.

Heck - I'd reckon to say that a Fiesta ST is more fun on the streets and maybe even on a track than a modern 3 series BMW.
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Again - YMMV, but I agree with most of the handling concerns when putting a car on a racetrack, but let's be honest, nearly no one does that. Running around town, or even through curvy mountain roads, I've found my Cooper S to be nearly as entertaining as my Ferrari for a fraction of the cost. The BMW didn't even compare to either of them.

With respect to repairing - I don't typically do any major repairs myself on my cars, but for minor things like fluid changes, belts and hoses, and plugs, coils, and things like that, I've found that the BMW was as complicated and sometimes more so than any FWD car I've owned.

Don't get me wrong - I love RWD cars and still think the 360, my past Miata, and old Alfa spider were probably the most fun cars I've ever owned. That said, don't discount FWD 'just because'. It has it's place too and can be a blast on the right platform.

Heck - I'd reckon to say that a Fiesta ST is more fun on the streets and maybe even on a track than a modern 3 series BMW.
You make some valid points and I see why you have no issues with FWD. But for me I do track my car and also perform all my own maintenance so that's why I feel that way. I would have to disagree on the curvy road part, at least with the FWD cars I have driven, but they were also 90's cars(Integras, Civics...) and I haven't driven any new performance FWD vehicles so you may be correct. All good, we all have our own preferences.
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This car should come with a manual. Shame that it likely won’t.

I’m not opposed to FWD, but I want a stick in a small BMW.
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New spy shots, with the front and rear design becoming more clear. Looks a little less fussy up front than the 1 series in which its based on. Front and rear look inspired by the 8 series (grill shape, taillights, rear spoiler) and the side profile has a similar design/kink of that of the 6GT and G21 3 Wagon. Overall looks good, just wish it was on a RWD platform with an available manual and inline 6.
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New spy shots, with the front and rear design becoming more clear. Looks a little less fussy up front than the 1 series in which its based on. Front and rear look inspired by the 8 series (grill shape, taillights, rear spoiler) and the side profile has a similar design/kink of that of the 6GT and G21 3 Wagon. Overall looks good, just wish it was on a RWD platform with an available manual and inline 6.
Great! This is very perspective.
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Great! This is very perspective.
Perceptive?
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Perceptive?
Who? Me? Maybe
I just saw a new G20 last weekend and I'm not sure about its proportions. This one might be a more balanced sporty 4-door car, as far as I see from these "spy" photos.
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I hope to never buy any car with a transverse front mounted engine but if I had to with my own money, you're spot on.
What about an Audi S3? That's transverse mounted and AWD.
I've driven an Audi and It still feels like a fwd based vehicle; I'm convinced you can't hide that feeling.

I owned fwd vehicles while pursuing higher education due to budget restraints, which was a complete bummer. Now I have a moral code that prevents me from purchasing vehicles that have the engine facing the wrong direction.
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Again - YMMV, but I agree with most of the handling concerns when putting a car on a racetrack, but let's be honest, nearly no one does that. Running around town, or even through curvy mountain roads, I've found my Cooper S to be nearly as entertaining as my Ferrari for a fraction of the cost. The BMW didn't even compare to either of them.

With respect to repairing - I don't typically do any major repairs myself on my cars, but for minor things like fluid changes, belts and hoses, and plugs, coils, and things like that, I've found that the BMW was as complicated and sometimes more so than any FWD car I've owned.

Don't get me wrong - I love RWD cars and still think the 360, my past Miata, and old Alfa spider were probably the most fun cars I've ever owned. That said, don't discount FWD 'just because'. It has it's place too and can be a blast on the right platform.

Heck - I'd reckon to say that a Fiesta ST is more fun on the streets and maybe even on a track than a modern 3 series BMW.
Agreed. Everyone is going to have their preference but when people make claims like a FWD can't perform on a track or can't be fun, I have a small chuckle. The entire automotive industry has progressed and advanced in a long way. Pick any component and aspect of a vehicle and it is not comparable to what it was 10, 15 or 20 years ago.

My manual R56 Cooper Non-S with its lowly 116HP is way more fun as a daily than my E90 and F36. Sure the BMW's are better overall cars and they are just that, competent cars to get around - I don't look at them if I want to have fun.

As for the 2er Gran Coupe, we won't know until we can drive it but I am going to give BMW the benefit of the doubt because they have MINI and have proven that FWD can be fun.
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This is nothing but a giant cherry on top of the cake of symbolism depicting how far BMW has fallen.

Glad I rushed to purchase an M2C before they managed to ruin that too.
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Do we need a GC version of everything!!? Geez!
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Do we need a GC version of everything!!? Geez!
Tell me about it... I would make it only to couple models only but I guess whatever makes them money
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I don’t understand BMW’s direction?

They were the ultimate driving machine, now the new 1 series and 2 series are basically Audi’s? I rented a 1series in Europe RWD/6MT/cloth-seats and it was a riot of a car, so much fun to drive.

I see the 2 series GC with RWD and a stick as the BMW I grew up with, would that not sell?

The 2 series as a wagon with RWD/Xdrive and a stick would be a great car IMO.
Would a sporty wagon not sell? Maybe people are buying SUV’s because there is no decent alternatives. I love hot hatches, but they are limited by space 2 series would be an ideal size in this segment.
Would an M2GC in sedan or wagon not be a great selling car?
Seems like the perfect spec to me?

If I could make my perfect BMW it would probably be a M2GC wagon in 6MT/Xdrive for winter use and RWD for warmer climates, am I the only one?
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Tell me about it... I would make it only to couple models only but I guess whatever makes them money
It will not be long before BMW has to start dropping Models, as they have to redirect huge funds to Electric mobility, autonomous driving, and connectivity.
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It will not be long before BMW has to start dropping Models, as they have to redirect huge funds to Electric mobility, autonomous driving, and connectivity.
Yeah! I think BMW's problem is that the company is trying to be a jack of all trades, simultaneously mastering none.
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I donít understand BMWís direction?

They were the ultimate driving machine, now the new 1 series and 2 series are basically Audiís? I rented a 1series in Europe RWD/6MT/cloth-seats and it was a riot of a car, so much fun to drive.

I see the 2 series GC with RWD and a stick as the BMW I grew up with, would that not sell?
I'd buy one tomorrow. I have a '09 E92 335i that's starting to show its age and was really hoping for a RWD 6MT 2 series GC. Perfect 2nd car for my needs 😑
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