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Unrelated, but below is my favorite video on YouTube. Volvo has been safety-oriented for decades. A while ago they introduced a pedestrian detection safety system for many cars and advertised it - This car didn't have the pedestrian detection system equipped. |
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I don't think we can hold a car any higher. If the net result is 50% less deaths - then the cars are doing better than people right? If we only accept zero airline casualties - then we ground all airplanes. We at some level have to say a certain number of deaths is acceptable for humans to have air travel. I think the same has to apply here. Humans driving cars was bad and got better. Air travel was bad and got better. We have to accept that the same path will be taken by self driving vehicles - correct? Or do we just never accept them at all? Edit - this is probably all moot as it does not look like this wreck was a failure of the self driving car anyway, but our points still hold water.
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That was the "official" response. Unofficially, without LIDAR supplement, the camera based systems have to detect movement first before an obstacle is validated. They'll gladly let you mow down anyone and anything stationary you intentionally drive towards.
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Yet you found the need to comment about said unasked for opinion.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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Local story was the car hit a tree on a culdesac.
It must have been lost to be traveling above neighborhood speeds. Also, who needs an UBER, I will bring the Tesla for the ride home.
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Afaik cars with pedestrian detection had an extra sensor in the grille. I don't see that sensor in the grille of that video, which makes me believe it was not equipped with pedestrian detection and only had city safety (car collision detection). Probably too technical for those white collared managers in that video.... This is what that sensor looked like in that generation of volvo xc60 (just left to the volvo badge):
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So when Tesla uses the term Autopilot for it's self-driving capability, it is a misnomer and lets stupid people do what they do. |
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We are never going to see significant reduction in traffic fatalities as the result of implementing autonomous driving under the current driving environment of today. That means the same number of total miles driven per year nationally, on the same roads, same volume of vehicles, and the same trips taken at the same average speed. The only way autonomous vehicles will reduce human fatalities is from a complete redesign of the ground traffic system. That redesign is will only come at a seriously huge expense and drastic societal implications related to personal mobility. Most reductions of fatalities will be from humans not in the vehicles, where commerce comes to the human rather than the human driving to the commerce. |
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1/2 the deaths is 1/2 the deaths - correct? What difference does it make who is responsible? Now I know us idiots humans will HAVE to have someone to blame for any failure like always, but again - a gain is a gain in my book. If that can actually happen or not remains to be seen - but my point is - if they are always safer, yet still kill people - do we accept that? My bet is we as humans cannot. If a asteroid hits the earth, we would need someone to go to jail because they "should have known".
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But ultimately preventing traffic accident deaths is the personal responsibility of each driver. Regardless of road design or condition, it is the driver's responsibility to prevent his car for being in the same space of another vehicle at the same time. The idea behind autonomous driving is to remove the fallibility of humans for control of the vehicle and replace it with a suite of sensors and artificial intelligence. Yet computers and software are not infallible, nor are sensors. Anyone who works in the technology field knows this. So like I said, under the same conditions I don't think computer controlled driver automation will cut the traffic death rate in half. What will happen is the personal responsibility aspect of the act of driving is left to a machine that has no sense of personal responsibility. It then becomes a cluster-F. |
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You are right - we don't do it right - but we never have and I don't see how you could think that is getting better. What we are doing better is making cars that help us survive it better - because we know humans are too stupid to just stop having wrecks. Car wrecks that killed people 40 years ago - people walk away from today. Amazingly so. I for one thing self driving cars will be safer that human driven cars someday in my lifetime. Planes can land by computers today, so I don't see a huge leap from that. Only one way to find out....... =)
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eventually cars will improve to be better drivers than humans. and traffic deaths will be extremely low. this is very far away though. for it to work EVERYONE needs to be on autopilot on the same system.. all cars communicating together like an ant colony.
as long as there is the human variable on the road things will be difficult. we as humans can read other humans behavior and make good guesses as to who is paying attention on the road and who isn't. dipping off the shoulder multiple times on the highway or drifting into others lanes. speeding up and slowing down. small things like this can make us think.. ok better keep distance from that guy or get around him quickly. another scenario: imagine a speeding car cuts you off in traffic but leaves a 1 foot gap with your bumper.. now your autopilot freaks out and hits the brakes... and now you just got rear ended by the semi truck behind you. Or what if a deer and child both run out into the road in front of you, the computer has to decide who to hit in a split second. what about a decision between a basketball, curb, and a rabbit (obviously you hit the soft rabbit) but maybe some peta activist would rather hit the basketball. it all gets very confusing. it'll eventually happen though because people want safety over freedom.
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