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P.S. Rittenhouse presented himself with a firearm….. …in an environment full of unrest, people looting, shooting, assaulting people, burning structures and cars, etc. IMHO, he would've been an idiot to go out there WITHOUT a firearm. His rifle was a show a force (…much like an unruly crowd). It was not actual force……until he was attacked. |
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So again, to the question raised - did Rittenhouse first point his firearm at someone else? Yes. Without a doubt. Did he cause the altercation by doing so? I don't think that answer is nearly as clear. And that is where my interest lies. But his question was a good one, and I feel you guys are leaping to the third guy who pointed the firearm first. He is trivial to the matter. It all hinges on the first. And I don't feel like anyone has addressed the question whether Rittenhouse, who indeed pointed first, caused the altercation |
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Rittenhouse was leaving the area BEFORE any rounds were fired. Rosenbaum and the mob chased Rittenhouse. Rosenbaum lunged at him and grabbed the rifle. It was at that point he was fatally shot. Huber was shot after he was hitting Rittenhouse and tried to take the rifle. Again, justified self defense. Grosskreutz was armed, pointed a gun at Rittenhouse AND tried to grab the rifle BEFORE he was shot. All three lost the criminal lottery. TL;DR - No, Rittenhouse didn't point the rifle AT ANYBODY until they assaulted him. This is supported by CLEAR/HIGH QUALITY video footage. |
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I'm good with all of this. That said my question still remains.
If you point a gun at someone and they then do something out of the fear you caused by doing so, are you justified in using deadly force for a situation that you yourself created? I know this is a hypothetical circumstance and every case is different, but it is also very much a real world situation. Thus I'm interested in your take on this.
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i recall a passage from Groucho Marx's autobiography where he mentions the media slant on a performance painting him as the bad guy - and that was back in the 40's... |
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Sedan_Clan, do you have the forum authority to stop this clown posting the same random ‘where is admin blah blah blah’ crap?
Also, have any motorists have the balls to honk at you? Say light turns green and you delayed pressing on the gas and Speedy Gonzalez let’s it known…. |
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I haven't had anybody honk at me, but if a motorist did have the balls to actually do it, I would either laugh or pull them over for the improper/non-emergency use of a horn (….27001(a) CVC)……just to check them out. I wouldn't cite for it 99% of the time though. |
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Regardless, the defendant in Wisconsin v. Rittenhouse was acquitted with prejudice. That’s all that really matters.
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One would think there was a reason, and that there would be some witness to how the two became antagonistic. I can only assume that no witness was willing to come forward.
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That might be all that matters for Rittenhouse & his fate, but this case will be picked over for some time. I hope we can learn something from it.
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There were witnesses that testified to his behavior and threatening to kill the defendant and others in the group with the defendant. There was video evidence of Rosenbaum’s erratic & hostile behavior shortly before he chased and cornered the defendant in the car lot.
Rosenbaum was just released from a mental health treatment facility or hospital earlier that day. So, the only facts the jurors heard and seen must have left reasonable doubt. |
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"After all this mayhem, all this death, what use were the guns that night? The guns failed to deter attacks against their owners. According to the defense, Rittenhouse’s gun was a reason Rosenbaum pursued him. And Grosskreutz’s gun was the reason Rittenhouse shot him." "And finally, the guns failed at their most vaunted purpose, helping the good guys fight the bad guys. If Rittenhouse was your good guy, what good did his gun do him? How did it help anyone in the community he was trying to protect? It got two people killed, one person injured, and Rittenhouse himself facing charges of homicide." |
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The rest is all just noise. 2A and self defense prevailed, next up, the trial in Georgia should be wrapping up next week. |
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