New Ytest
Sign out
Bimmerpost
Login
BMW E39 5-Series Forum | 5Post.com
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Today's Posts  
Go Back   BMW E39 5-Series Forum | 5Post.com > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General BMW News and Cars Discussion

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      Yesterday, 08:01 PM   #1
khp3655
Private
khp3655's Avatar
122
Rep
73
Posts

 
Drives: BMW Z4 2022 s30
Join Date: Sep 2023
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2022 Z4  [8.50]
Learn something new everyday! Top Tier Gas

I poke around car forums quite a bit and have seen many debates about octane and gas, usually about trying to save money using 87 octane. In my Z4 s30, it is 90 or better, which usually means 91. I thought that was enough to be doing right by my engine.

Although I had seen it mentioned a couple of times over the years, I just learned that Top Tier Gas is a thing, and it sounds like using it makes a difference. A number of articles came out recently about an AAA study and showed just how much less carbon build up there was in engines that used Top Tier Gas. Now that I know where to look and the symbol to look for, much more Top Tier Gas in is my future.

Is the idea of using Top Tier Gas (vs just using the proper octane gas) well-known? As someone who enjoys cars, travel, and learning, I was genuinely surprised that I had not known about this standard before.
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 08:21 PM   #2
jzeiler4
Lieutenant
jzeiler4's Avatar
United_States
346
Rep
571
Posts

 
Drives: 2021 M240i xDrive vert
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Hazel Green, AL

iTrader: (0)

I became aware of Top Tier gas twenty years ago when GM, BMW, Honda and Toyota collaborated on setting the new standard. It is the only gas I buy unless there is none available.
Appreciate 1
DrFerry6784.00
      Yesterday, 08:27 PM   #3
ctcarbonari
First Lieutenant
ctcarbonari's Avatar
United_States
447
Rep
342
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 BMW 535i M Sport
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Vancouver, WA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 BMW 535i  [0.00]
2015 BMW 535i  [0.00]
Full Disclosure - I only became aware about 3 years ago when I got my "new-to-me" bimmer and started looking into it. Before then, I ignorantly believed it was a myth and filled my tank with whatever was convienent (and usually cheap).
Appreciate 0
      Yesterday, 08:59 PM   #4
DanG
Major General
DanG's Avatar
United_States
11402
Rep
7,130
Posts

 
Drives: 2018 M2 AW DCT
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2018 BMW M2  [7.95]
I have been using top tier for years.
__________________
BMWCCA member Puget Sound Chapter
Appreciate 1
DrFerry6784.00
      Yesterday, 09:30 PM   #5
BlkGS
Colonel
BlkGS's Avatar
3120
Rep
2,470
Posts

 
Drives: BMW X5 M50i
Join Date: Dec 2023
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Top tier gas just has extra cleaners than the minimum required by federal law. It's mainly a marketing gimmick, where you run the test everyone passes, and then pay the licensing fee.

You're not gonna get anything out of it more than you would by adding a bottle of techron or other PEA based cleaner in a tank once a year. You'll get no benefit from it in a Direct Injection motor.
Appreciate 1
      Today, 05:39 AM   #6
Ugly Kar
First Lieutenant
516
Rep
367
Posts

 
Drives: E92 to C43 Cab to G42
Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Ugh! Only 4 threads down and 17 pages.
https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1571574
Appreciate 1
      Today, 08:59 AM   #7
FrankMstein
Major
FrankMstein's Avatar
United_States
1364
Rep
1,207
Posts

 
Drives: F80 M3, R56 Camden, F56
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Charlotte

iTrader: (1)

BP fell off last year.

Wait until you find out what LL-04, A40, MB228 is.
__________________
2015 Sakhir/Sonoma (first one totalled) 2nd one MHD and BM3, Eventuri, Mosselman, NICECNC, MAD FAT BOY DP, "Valvetronic Designs" single mid, PAGID RSC1, Hotchkis/GTMore, Vorschlag, Bilstein B16/10.
Soon Powerflex diff brace, Akropovic axle back for sale.
Appreciate 1
DrFerry6784.00
      Today, 09:48 AM   #8
tturedraider
Major General
tturedraider's Avatar
United_States
5633
Rep
6,580
Posts

 
Drives: 2018 340i M Sport
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, Edgewater (via Texas & Tennessee)

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Around these parts Top Tier gas is pretty well known and often cussed and discussed. Even here there are still a few yahoos who believe it’s a myth.
__________________
https://youtu.be/-ay-8p2p29w
www.bmwcca.org
member #388003 - Use me as a referral
& you could win a one day ///M Driving School!!

___________________________________________
Appreciate 0
      Today, 10:20 AM   #9
RockCrusher
Major
United_States
1548
Rep
1,491
Posts

 
Drives: BMW 2023 ZB M2 6-speed
Join Date: Jun 2022
Location: Benton County, AR

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by khp3655 View Post
I poke around car forums quite a bit and have seen many debates about octane and gas, usually about trying to save money using 87 octane. In my Z4 s30, it is 90 or better, which usually means 91. I thought that was enough to be doing right by my engine.

Although I had seen it mentioned a couple of times over the years, I just learned that Top Tier Gas is a thing, and it sounds like using it makes a difference. A number of articles came out recently about an AAA study and showed just how much less carbon build up there was in engines that used Top Tier Gas. Now that I know where to look and the symbol to look for, much more Top Tier Gas in is my future.

Is the idea of using Top Tier Gas (vs just using the proper octane gas) well-known? As someone who enjoys cars, travel, and learning, I was genuinely surprised that I had not known about this standard before.
It is important to use the grade of octane called for by BMW.

As for Top Tier fuel I refer you to your car's owners manual.

A paste from my M2's owners manual:

The use of poor-quality fuels may result in harmful engine deposits or damage. Additionally, problems relating to drivability, starting and stalling, especially under certain environmental conditions such as high ambient temperature and high altitude, may occur.

If drivability problems are encountered, we recommend switching to a high quality gasoline brand and a higher octane grade — AKI number — for a few tank fills. To avoid harmful engine deposits, it is highly recommended to purchase gasoline from Top Tier retailers.

Failure to comply with these recommendations may result in the need for additional maintenance.
Appreciate 1
DanG11401.50
      Today, 10:34 AM   #10
RockCrusher
Major
United_States
1548
Rep
1,491
Posts

 
Drives: BMW 2023 ZB M2 6-speed
Join Date: Jun 2022
Location: Benton County, AR

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlkGS View Post
Top tier gas just has extra cleaners than the minimum required by federal law. It's mainly a marketing gimmick, where you run the test everyone passes, and then pay the licensing fee.

You're not gonna get anything out of it more than you would by adding a bottle of techron or other PEA based cleaner in a tank once a year. You'll get no benefit from it in a Direct Injection motor.
When I have had my 2 230s and one M2 in for service, this is used or a bottle is given to me to use:

https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...ve-83195a07750

By my SA I was told the use of that additive was recommended by the factory. I also note both my 230s and my M2 are direct injection engines.

(I don't wish to get into an argument but my info is Techron at least can benefit a DI engine.)

At any rate I have used the BMW fuel additive or what I prefer is I decline the BMW additive and pick up a bottle of Techron from the local auto parts store.
Appreciate 0
      Today, 11:13 AM   #11
DanG
Major General
DanG's Avatar
United_States
11402
Rep
7,130
Posts

 
Drives: 2018 M2 AW DCT
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2018 BMW M2  [7.95]
Quote:
Originally Posted by RockCrusher View Post
When I have had my 2 230s and one M2 in for service, this is used or a bottle is given to me to use:

https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...ve-83195a07750

By my SA I was told the use of that additive was recommended by the factory. I also note both my 230s and my M2 are direct injection engines.

(I don't wish to get into an argument but my info is Techron at least can benefit a DI engine.)

At any rate I have used the BMW fuel additive or what I prefer is I decline the BMW additive and pick up a bottle of Techron from the local auto parts store.
If you use a Top Tier gas you don’t need an additional additive.
__________________
BMWCCA member Puget Sound Chapter
Appreciate 0
      Today, 11:26 AM   #12
BlkGS
Colonel
BlkGS's Avatar
3120
Rep
2,470
Posts

 
Drives: BMW X5 M50i
Join Date: Dec 2023
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
In a DI motor the fuel is injected directly into the combustion chamber when needed. It doesn't have any time to do any cleaning unless it somehow survives the combustion event.

In port I jected motors the fuel is injected in the head, so it flows over the valves and cleans them of any carbon buildup. That where top tier gas or an additove can help.
Appreciate 0
      Today, 11:30 AM   #13
jkoral
Colonel
United_States
1107
Rep
2,032
Posts

 
Drives: 2017 M2 LBB 6MT
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: MA

iTrader: (7)

Refer to BMW SI B13 02 06 - https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...52346-9999.pdf

I've known about this for many years, but filling up on the NYS Thruway this weekend, and it was the first time I noticed the Top Tier sticker on the pump:
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:32 PM.




5post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST