Highland park IL 4th of July parade shooting

[Mosaud1998]

It's crazy that just a month or two ago there was a shooting at a Texas school. Now, there was a shooting at a parade in a city that is 45~ min away from me.


So sad. People can’t enjoy a simple parade without the concern that some evil sob is going to commit an act of terrorism. What is going on in this world?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/...parade-gunfire

[overcoil]

That is a striking picture, in your article link, of the people being escorted by the police.

[wtwo3]

This is about 45 min away from me too. Pretty crazy. Seems they've found the shooter now, but there was a manhunt for quite a while.

[Mosaud1998]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

This is about 45 min away from me too. Pretty crazy. Seems they've found the shooter now, but there was a manhunt for quite a while.

I got family that lives in Deerfield. They said they weren't too far from the parade

[OkieSnuffBox]

Wow, I would have guessed based on his looks he was great contributor to society.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Wow, I would have guessed based on his looks he was great contributor to society.

Dude lived out back of the house his granddad owned when he died and then the kids dad and uncle took it over. So basically 3 odd dudes living in their dead parents house together. Also his dad ran for mayor and lost.

[Sedan_Clan]

In most cases, people who commit heinous crimes like this are, indeed, odd dudes. We are at a state in this country where no place is really safe. If I could post all of the internal threat notifications we receive on a daily basis from our own internal bureau and the Feds, it might blow your mind.

[Tommy-G]

Dude, you cant even go to a grocery store anymore without some sort of awareness. I'm not living in fear and I still don't know about getting my CCW but better believe I am not naive of it either

Really sad b/c I don't believe there is truly a way to defend or stop this from happening (and becoming more frequent)

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

Dude lived out back of the house his granddad owned when he died and then the kids dad and uncle took it over. So basically 3 odd dudes living in their dead parents house together. Also his dad ran for mayor and lost.

And his dad signed the permit for the kids AR-15 AFTER he threatened to kill them...

Since the parents didn't press charges the kid didn't technically have a record despite multiple interactions and even though he was underage to buy the gun his dad covered for him.

And his dad could, in theory, be an accomplice because of it.

[EezyBeezy]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

In most cases, people who commit heinous crimes like this are, indeed, odd dudes. We are at a state in this country where no place is really safe. If I could post all of the internal threat notifications we receive on a daily basis from our own internal bureau and the Feds, it might blow your mind.

I was listening to one of Ryan Michler podcasts and he's interviewing either a special ops cool guy or a FA of some sort. They pretty much stated that in today's world, anywhere at anytime is not safe. One must be always be aware & ready once somethings pops off, when that moment comes it's fight or flight.

[ryan stewart]

Originally Posted by EezyBeezy

I was listening to one of Ryan Michler podcasts and he's interviewing either a special ops cool guy or a FA of some sort. They pretty much stated that in today's world, anywhere at anytime is not safe. One must be always be aware & ready once somethings pops off, when that moment comes it's fight or flight.

And if you're smart, even if you're armed, your first instinct should be flight. Most people don't know what a high-powered rifle is or what it does to the body. Despite being smaller bullets (.223/5.56) than, say, a pistol, youre looking at 3x the velocity. Kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2, so the amount of kinetic energy is an exponent and results in cavitation and, if that round hits a bone, its like a fragmentation grenade.

Pistols are scary and common but the lethality of a high-velocity rifle round is on another level.

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by Tommy-G

Dude, you cant even go to a grocery store anymore without some sort of awareness. I'm not living in fear and I still don't know about getting my CCW but better believe I am not naive of it either

Originally Posted by EezyBeezy

I was listening to one of Ryan Michler podcasts and he's interviewing either a special ops cool guy or a FA of some sort. They pretty much stated that in today's world, anywhere at anytime is not safe. One must be always be aware & ready once somethings pops off, when that moment comes it's fight or flight.

[/QUOTE]

The other day my husband ran into Academy to grab a few things for the boat. He thought I don't need my CCW. This man at the front of the store starts hollering all these things and was clearly disgruntled. He was also carrying a back pack. This went on for 15 minutes and apparently this guy comes in quite a bit but they said he must not be on his meds. My husband said it's the last time he will just run in without it. He said it was not a good feeling at all to be trapped in the store and he said you could tell a lot of people were very worried.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

And his dad signed the permit for the kids AR-15 AFTER he threatened to kill them...

Since the parents didn't press charges the kid didn't technically have a record despite multiple interactions and even though he was underage to buy the gun his dad covered for him.

And his dad could, in theory, be an accomplice because of it.

In theory? His dad should absolutely be brought up on charges contributory to his son's actions. He had to vouch for his son's mental status on the application for a firearms permit. With him knowing the history of his son, meant that he lied on the application.

Many of these instances have been family members covering up for their "angels". "Not my angel. He never exhibited any signs or tendencies to commit such a crime." If person can't be a decent human being to do their due diligence in getting authorities/help involved, then maybe facing felony charges/jail time will push them to do the right thing.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by rebekahb

The other day my husband ran into Academy to grab a few things for the boat. He thought I don't need my CCW. This man at the front of the store starts hollering all these things and was clearly disgruntled. He was also carrying a back pack. This went on for 15 minutes and apparently this guy comes in quite a bit but they said he must not be on his meds. My husband said it's the last time he will just run in without it. He said it was not a good feeling at all to be trapped in the store and he said you could tell a lot of people were very worried.

Having been on the other end of a mentally unstable individual, I can say it's not a good feeling at all. Happened at a county building where I was waiting for my daughter to come out from an IEP based program. The individual in question in the beginning was very friendly to me as I was walking into the building with my daughter. Later on, he was roaming through the hallway and then saw me sitting in one of the offices. As if a switch flipped, he started yelling at me and threatening me. The numbnuts admins that worked there just sat there and did nothing. After a couple of minutes of this, I got up and went over to the clueless county worker and said where's your damn security and if you're not calling the cops, I will.

The cops did eventually arrive. Much of this is a bit of a blur to me as this happened a few years ago. From what I remember, the same county building was also a place for those having substance abuse problems. I didn't know this prior. And this individual is an addict that was mad he wasn't able to get stuff to help him through his withdrawals. I was able to have a talk to someone in charge of that facility which probably did nothing. I read him the riot act as to the lack of security and how poorly trained his staff was in responding to this type of incident. It all probably fell on deaf ears.

[CTinline-six]

Mental illness is a huge problem. Without getting political, I think we need to take a step back in our society and look at what causes these situations and not just the tool being used.

I think in an effort to be more accepting of everyone we have blurred the lines between what should be addressed and what should be ignored. My mom works with kids in an elementary school who have behavioral problems. Many of these kids just need discipline and something to work towards so their lives have meaning, but instead everyone is afraid of the parents, and kids that are truly developing violent tendencies are ignored. My mom has had desks thrown at her, windows broken, other kids with broken bones because mommy's little angel didn't want to do school work. There are second graders drawing pictures of running people over with trains, shooting people, etc.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Mental illness is a huge problem. Without getting political, I think we need to take a step back in our society and look at what causes these situations and not just the tool being used.

I think in an effort to be more accepting of everyone we have blurred the lines between what should be addressed and what should be ignored. My mom works with kids in an elementary school who have behavioral problems. Many of these kids just need discipline and something to work towards so their lives have meaning, but instead everyone is afraid of the parents, and kids that are truly developing violent tendencies are ignored. My mom has had desks thrown at her, windows broken, other kids with broken bones because mommy's little angel didn't want to do school work. There are second graders drawing pictures of running people over with trains, shooting people, etc.

A good friend of mine got out of teaching. She used to be a high school teacher. Got tired of being forced to be a parent to these kids and not having the authority to discipline or do anything further to get them proper help. She's had numerous parent meetings trying to get through to these dense parents about issues with their "angels". All of it gets ignored.

[CTinline-six]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

A good friend of mine got out of teaching. She used to be a high school teacher. Got tired of being forced to be a parent to these kids and not having the authority to discipline or do anything further to get them proper help. She's had numerous parent meetings trying to get through to these dense parents about issues with their "angels". All of it gets ignored.

In my previous job I worked for a contracting company that managed the IT for several school districts. One of the schools we worked for, a high school, had a lawsuit from parents because a student (16 year old girl) held an ice pack too long on her leg and "burned" herself, claiming the nurse (one nurse for the whole school at that point) was not paying attention to her even though she gave instructions.


...the parents won.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

In my previous job I worked for a contracting company that managed the IT for several school districts. One of the schools we worked for, a high school, had a lawsuit from parents because a student (16 year old girl) held an ice pack too long on her leg and "burned" herself, claiming the nurse (one nurse for the whole school at that point) was not paying attention to her even though she gave instructions.


...the parents won.

Shake my head....just no words.....

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Mental illness is a huge problem. Without getting political, I think we need to take a step back in our society and look at what causes these situations and not just the tool being used.

The internet, social media to be more precise. We've become a nation of attention whores.

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

Mental illness is a huge problem. Without getting political, I think we need to take a step back in our society and look at what causes these situations and not just the tool being used.

I think in an effort to be more accepting of everyone we have blurred the lines between what should be addressed and what should be ignored. My mom works with kids in an elementary school who have behavioral problems. Many of these kids just need discipline and something to work towards so their lives have meaning, but instead everyone is afraid of the parents, and kids that are truly developing violent tendencies are ignored. My mom has had desks thrown at her, windows broken, other kids with broken bones because mommy's little angel didn't want to do school work. There are second graders drawing pictures of running people over with trains, shooting people, etc.

150%!!! People seeing mental health professionals is more accepted these days but we are still not doing enough. Also, I don't know how most of the kids growing up today are even going to be able to face challenges and hard times. Their capacity to have face to face conversations, communicate and endure adversity without saying something is unfair is almost non-existent.

Discipline is a thing of the past in lots of parenting today. My SIL adopted a child that was born drug addicted and has bad behavioral issues. She looks and talks about him like she birthed him. She constantly makes excuses on why he acts the way he does. She refuses to look at the fact he was born drug addicted and both of his parents are addicts. You can not tell him no. He loses his mind. He starts screaming. He will hit my SIL. The rage he has is unlike anything I have seen in any kids I have been around. The kid needs structure. They moved to S FL a few years ago and she hated it at first so she kept him home the first 2 years with her because she didn't want to be alone. The past year he goes to Mother's Day out for 2 hours 2-3 days/week and he's 5. We hope he will grow out of it but we just don't know. He can be loving. His biological brother has issues but the grandparents are raising him and he's been in therapy for the past 2 years and they are very rigid. I guess my point in saying this is we worry about this child growing up. It absolutely baffles me on how someone can think any of this is healthy or normal.

Kudos to your Mom for trying to make a difference. I don't envy teachers at all. It's hard work.

[BMWGUYinCO]

Originally Posted by rebekahb

150%!!! People seeing mental health professionals is more accepted these days but we are still not doing enough. Also, I don't know how most of the kids growing up today are even going to be able to face challenges and hard times. Their capacity to have face to face conversations, communicate and endure adversity without saying something is unfair is almost non-existent.

Discipline is a thing of the past in lots of parenting today. My SIL adopted a child that was born drug addicted and has bad behavioral issues. She looks and talks about him like she birthed him. She constantly makes excuses on why he acts the way he does. She refuses to look at the fact he was born drug addicted and both of his parents are addicts. You can not tell him no. He loses his mind. He starts screaming. He will hit my SIL. The rage he has is unlike anything I have seen in any kids I have been around. The kid needs structure. They moved to S FL a few years ago and she hated it at first so she kept him home the first 2 years with her because she didn't want to be alone. The past year he goes to Mother's Day out for 2 hours 2-3 days/week and he's 5. We hope he will grow out of it but we just don't know. He can be loving. His biological brother has issues but the grandparents are raising him and he's been in therapy for the past 2 years and they are very rigid. I guess my point in saying this is we worry about this child growing up. It absolutely baffles me on how someone can think any of this is healthy or normal.

Kudos to your Mom for trying to make a difference. I don't envy teachers at all. It's hard work.

I've mentioned this somewhere before on these forums, but my neighbors have two biological children of their own. But the wife is particularly religious, so she was insistent they adopt to help a less fortunate individual.
They got a girl who was about 8 months old...she had drug addicts for parents and showed signs of physical abuse. It's been a nightmare raising her as she has severe behavioral issues including uncontrollable rage, no respect for authority, has threatened family teachers, police etc. with weapons (mostly knives), and on and on. It got so bad, that the parents would call the police on her just so child protective services could see that SHE was the antagonist.
This family has tried everything - they are disciplining parents, Christians, been very supportive, even spent close to $200K on therapists and an out of state "Behavioral Rehabilitative Retreat". Nothing worked because this poor girl is simply damaged from the first 8 months of her life.

Now, she is 18 but hasn't lived at home for the last 1.5 years. She is planning to join the Navy. She never got a grade above a D, and in her final year of high school she had all "Fs" and one "D". But the Navy requires you to be a H.S. graduate, so the high school guidance counselor had a conference with the parents and said (and I quote): "If she NEVER returns to this school again, we will pass her". She didn't have to take one final exam. Furthermore, since she is female and Latino, the Navy has offered her a $20,000 sign on bonus to join.

But what chance does this person have with authority? The problem just rolls down the road...as you can see, the system, parenting, mental health help, programs, etc. all failed yet the school passed her, the Navy has accepted her....it's just an issue that keeps getting passed down the line.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by BMWGUYinCO

Nothing worked because this poor girl is simply damaged from the first 8 months of her life.

I would argue the 9 months before she was born was likely what set her up for failure. Drugs can really negatively effect brain development. This is the cause for a lot of 'bad eggs' they are just fucked from literally day 1 and nothing they can do about it because of brain chemistry and/or how their brain developed in the womb.

The father should 100% be held liable.