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      06-07-2019, 03:56 PM   #67
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All that being said I am sure the product will be very similar, at least in time. But to me certain purchases, like a car, are based on more factors. I like my Italian food from Italy, and my German cars from Germany. I like that regions have identities that they are known for, and part of paying that premium in purchase price is folded into that. I'm not saying it would stop me from purchasing the next M3 if I fall in love with it, but doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.
US craft beer brewers are leaving traditional beer countries in the dust. Jack's Abby that I have the fortune to live near is making lagers that taste better than anything I tasted on my Euro Delivery trips.
Not the same to me. Beer is something that I can appreciate coming from anywhere. Love American beer and imports too. Much less so with Mexican made German cars.
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The USMC trade deal forces Mexico to increase the salary of workers to be more in line with USA and Canada. As a result, this is less of an issue now. That, in my opinion, was the greatest accomplishment of the USMC for the USA (and Mexican workers)
Not really relevant to the auto industry, apparently:

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/17/65780...-mexican-wages
So I read if they don't comply they will pay a 2.5% tariff. Some will raise wages and others will pay the tariff. Same effect. I don't need to convince you of anything - you've made up your mind. I still like authentic Italian food, German made cars, etc. I'm Italian and it's in my genes to appreciate these subtleties.
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You should be teaching economics! I feel enlightened after reading that bit of wisdom.
Though I prefer to purchase a car where it is designed, the concept that a car should be made where it is sold is a fallacy. Refer to the theory of comparative advantage.

I would agree that Germany has a comparative advantage when it comes to machine building.

The thrill of cheap labour is enticing though.
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US and Mexico reached a trade agreement, no tariff will be applied to Mexico...Threat neutralized.
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The cost to just shut down a factory and rebuild one in the US wouldn't have a payback obviously. The future construction is where the intent lies (in addition to raising the standard of living). 2,500 employees at that location according to the article.

All that being said I am sure the product will be very similar, at least in time. But to me certain purchases, like a car, are based on more factors. I like my Italian food from Italy, and my German cars from Germany. I like that regions have identities that they are known for, and part of paying that premium in purchase price is folded into that. I'm not saying it would stop me from purchasing the next M3 if I fall in love with it, but doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.
Oh Iím not at all worried about the quality of cars produced there. I was more commenting in general about the old and new nafta.
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Nothing like paying Bavarian prices for Mexican made
Maybe BMW will sell Mexican made Vodka while they re a t it.

I was thinking more like cutlery.
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It's not just about reduced cost, it's time to market. Having a plant in North America means we can get our vehicles much faster from the time they're ordered. There will be growing pains with any new plant, but this is good for our supply.
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I don't blame them for it but it is just about reduced costs. The billion plus spent is considered an investment which will earn them much more than the amount spent.
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Great news for BMW and México alike.

However I only want my M Car's built in Germany.
The mystique of a certain geographic location as a contributor to vehicle quality hasn't lived up to its promise. For example, F30 vehicles built in South Africa have been very reliable. Vehicle quality is a complex equation where the quality of parts plays a bigger role.
Plant Spartanburg has known quality issues for years. Multiple BMW AG employees have told me in Germany that all German market SUV's have an other inspection at Plant Dingolfing prior to shipment to local dealership. I wouldn't buy a M Mexican manufacturered.
That's probably just post-port inspection. EU-assembled vehicles have the same kind of quality inspections when they arrive at port in the USA.

The snobbery with final assembly is real in this thread. My old E90 328i assembled in South Africa was reliable and never had quality issues.

That being said, I do think BMW should continue to offer European delivery as an experience if a customer wants to do that for a model that's assembled in the EU.
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I've never understood the logic behind where the car is made. It's about the parts made not where it's made in my mind... the parts are all the same.
You are correct, it is all about design & quality of the parts. I believe being worried about were they are assembled is called bigotry and discrimination.

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I've never understood the logic behind where the car is made. It's about the parts made not where it's made in my mind... the parts are all the same.
You are correct, it is all about design & quality of the parts. I believe being worried about were they are assembled is called bigotry and discrimination.
Not really. I appreciate Mexico for Mexican things, and Germany for German things. True with globalism, many parts are shared but I still appreciate a German-engineered and German built vehicle more-so than a German-engineered and somewhere else built vehicle. Even if it is mostly psychological. Likewise, there are wonderful Italian restaurants across the US, but to me (and many others), having an authentic Italian meal in Italy is hands down better, even if you could prove scientifically that it is the same. It's not discrimination at all as we appreciate all cultures for what they are known for. Hence why people like doing European delivery - to experience those cultures. Doesn't mean they don't like others. Look, you may not care where your car is built and that is fine for you but throwing out "discrimination" is just silly.
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The mystique of a certain geographic location as a contributor to vehicle quality hasn't lived up to its promise. For example, F30 vehicles built in South Africa have been very reliable. Vehicle quality is a complex equation where the quality of parts plays a bigger role.
I've never understood the logic behind where the car is made. It's about the parts made not where it's made in my mind... the parts are all the same.
Unless it's the drunken/reefer'd Chrysler workers! Haha
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Ha! The beginning of the end for BMW in Carolina...
And if true how is that a good thing worth cheering about?
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I really don't care either way because my F30 was built in Germany so....

Go Mexican BMW'S!!!
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.....I'm Italian and it's in my genes to appreciate these subtleties.


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.....Look, you may not care where your car is built and that is fine for you but throwing out "discrimination" is just silly.

Your posts speak for themselves and to say your preferences are in your genes is more than just silly.
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What if you want to do a European Delivery of a 3 in a couple years? Could you get a German made one that way? Or will that no longer be possible because US 3's will exclusively be sourced from Mexico?

Audi assembles its Q5s for the US market in Mexico though the engine comes from Germany. So there are a lot of Mexican assembled premium German brand vehicles in the US already.
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What if you want to do a European Delivery of a 3 in a couple years? Could you get a German made one that way? Or will that no longer be possible because US 3's will exclusively be sourced from Mexico?

Audi assembles its Q5s for the US market in Mexico though the engine comes from Germany. So there are a lot of Mexican assembled premium German brand vehicles in the US already.
This is what I was wondering - does the mean a significant reduction in European Delivery options?....
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And if true how is that a good thing worth cheering about?
I wasn't cheering I was merely stating fact. An inevitable fact: companies will always chose profit over national interests.
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