Highland park IL 4th of July parade shooting

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

He is definitely out of his depth on this particular topic.

And you post a report From a freedom caucus representative (Comer) about dr. Fauci & Covid?
And this is probably the next New York Post headline tomorrow, after they refused to acknowledge the January 6 committee:

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

And you post a report From a freedom caucus representative (Comer) about dr. Fauci & Covid?
And this is probably the next New York Post headline tomorrow, after they refused to acknowledge the January 6 committee:

My God! There are a million and one places to find the emails and/or reports on the emails. It's public record. Geez! Get a grip. I merely just picked a few links to direct him.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

https://everytownresearch.org/maps/m...gs-in-america/

This is pretty damning for the assault rifle/AR-15 guys:

- When assault weapons and high-capacity magazines were used in mass shootings, they resulted in far more deaths and injuries. Between 2009 and 2020, the five deadliest mass shooting incidents in the US all involved the use of assault weapons and/or high-capacity magazines: Las Vegas, Orlando, Newtown, Sutherland Springs, and El Paso.

- Assault weapons and high-capacity magazines were disproportionately used in public mass shootings. Of the shootings with known weapon type, 76 percent of those that involved an assault weapon and/or high-capacity magazine occurred in public compared to 44 percent of those that involved a handgun.

- In the 12 years from 2009 to 2020, there were at least 30 mass shootings (16 percent of those with known weapon data) that involved the use of an assault weapon, resulting in 347 deaths and 719 injuries. In other words, mass shootings that involved an assault weapon accounted for 25 percent of all mass shootings deaths and 76 percent of injuries. While not used in the majority of mass shootings, when they were, it left six times as many people shot per incident than when there was no assault weapon.

- While nearly every assault weapon used in a mass shooting over this period included a high-capacity magazine, an additional 20 mass shootings involved the use of high-capacity magazines with other guns. In total, at least 42 mass shootings involved high-capacity magazines, which resulted in 422 people killed and 710 people wounded. Of those 42 mass shootings that involved high-capacity magazines, three-fourths occurred in public places.17 As a whole, the mass shootings we know involved the use of high-capacity magazines resulted in nearly five times as many people shot on average as those that did not.

- A growing body of research shows that states can reduce gun violence by limiting access to assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. States with restrictions on magazine size experience mass shootings at less than half the rate of states without restrictions. Another study estimated that mass shooting deaths were 70 percent less likely to occur when the federal prohibition on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines was in effect. In fact, when looking at possible factors such as socio-demographics and gun laws, laws restricting magazine size were by far the strongest predictor of a state’s rate of mass shootings.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

My God! There are a million and one places to find the emails and/or reports on the emails. It's public record. Geez! Get a grip. I merely just picked a few links to direct him.

Talk about lazy…..they're all on alt right sites. Show me an unbiased report.

And we're still at about An 80 to 8 ratio of victims / Bad guys Who have been killed by assault rifles. And I didn't factor in Vegas

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

My God! There are a million and one places to find the emails and/or reports on the emails. It's public record. Geez! Get a grip. I merely just picked a few links to direct him.

You see the vid from Ulvalde? Kinda makes your point a bit ago about all the kids were dead already bullshit while the pussy ass cops played cards in the hallway. I'm sure you will have some rebuttal to say fake something or other but just wanted to throw it out there.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Typical alt/right rhetoric. When you can't seem to comprehend a post, or have no good argument to refute it, go demean the person making the argument.

I called for banning assault weapons, body armor, and high-capacity magazines. I believe in banning high-capacity magazines for pistols also.

And the part you didn't address, do universal background checks, the age 21 limit. And I'm sure you could probably come up with more ways or we could limit guns getting in the bad guys hands.

alt right rhetoric is using facts? good to know.

just because you dont like the facts, doesnt mean its alt right

[Torgus]

Assault weapons what a ridiculous term which encompasses any weapon that looks scary to a politician.

AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and 300 Win.














Time for the thread lock/delete. Facts about guns makes certain people very angry!

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

alt right rhetoric is using facts? good to know.

just because you dont like the facts, doesnt mean its alt right

Let me know when you find some actual facts, not cherry picked.

It's sad that 25 to 30% of the USA has descended into some news ecosystem where up is down, night is day, facts are replaced by alternative facts. Just because they want their guy, or their side,to win so much, they'll abandon reason and logic.

I would really implore all those on this thread to watch something other than alt right news sources, at least half the time. They are simply poison.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Assault weapons what a ridiculous term which encompasses any weapon that looks scary to a politician.

AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and 300 Win.














Time for the thread lock/delete. Facts about guns makes certain people very angry!

Weapons of war in the hands of bad guys, is even scarier. Have you seen the video of Uvalde cops not going into the classroom? Is it because they're scared of the rifle the shooter has? And the scorecard is still: over 150 innocent people dead because of assault weapons in mass shootings, maybe eight bad guys dead because of assault weapons (Long rifle, FPS velocity over 3000, magazine capacity) + 1 alligator.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

You see the vid from Ulvalde? Kinda makes your point a bit ago about all the kids were dead already bullshit while the pussy ass cops played cards in the hallway. I'm sure you will have some rebuttal to say fake something or other but just wanted to throw it out there.

The kids screams were edited out on the video I saw. I can't imagine being a police officer and not going in. So much for the gun porn and pseudo machoism.

EXCLUSIVE: New Uvalde shooting footage shows police response to tragedy from inside school Previously unreleased video shows the gunman walking Robb Elementary's hallways and what police did before entering the classrooms https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/...2-f48a9adf23a0

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Let me know when you find some actual facts, not cherry picked.

It's sad that 25 to 30% of the USA has descended into some news ecosystem where up is down, night is day, facts are replaced by alternative facts. Just because they want their guy, or their side,to win so much, they'll abandon reason and logic.

I would really implore all those on this thread to watch something other than alt right news sources, at least half the time. They are simply poison.

what about pew research, which if anything leans more left than right, is cherry picked and alternative facts for the alt right?

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

It's sad that 25 to 30% of the USA has descended into some news ecosystem where up is down, night is day, facts are replaced by alternative facts. Just because they want their guy, or their side,to win so much, they'll abandon reason and logic.

I think it's closer to 90%. If you think only one side is doing it you're also one of the brainwashed.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Weapons of war in the hands of bad guys, is even scarier. Have you seen the video of Uvalde cops not going into the classroom? Is it because they're scared of the rifle the shooter has? And the scorecard is still: over 150 innocent people dead because of assault weapons in mass shootings, maybe eight bad guys dead because of assault weapons (Long rifle, FPS velocity over 3000, magazine capacity) + 1 alligator.

no its because those cops are garbage cops and are pieces of shit.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Weapons of war in the hands of bad guys, is even scarier. Have you seen the video of Uvalde cops not going into the classroom? Is it because they're scared of the rifle the shooter has? And the scorecard is still: over 150 innocent people dead because of assault weapons in mass shootings, maybe eight bad guys dead because of assault weapons (Long rifle, FPS velocity over 3000, magazine capacity) + 1 alligator.

God you just love all the left's names for firearms don't you. You go from Assault Weapons, which again is a made up term by politicians for any firearms that looks scary, now to Weapons of War. Literally what the image above talked about. Only people who know next to nothing about firearms use those phrases. Those phrases are to literally scare people who don't know any better. AR15s are not Weapons of War or Assault Weapons. They are just a civilian rifle. Period. End of discussion. You can keep trying to call them whatever you like, just because I say the sky is pink does not mean it is true. If MSNBC called an AR15 a civilian rifle vs Weapon of War it would not have the effect they want. It is against their agenda. They need to vilify and demonize firearms by giving them scary names and associating them with wars.

No one wants to bring an AR15 into a warzone if they can avoid it.

No one wants to ban the Browning BAR Rifle do they? It is a hell of a lot more capable in general, from using much larger rounds than an AR15 shooting .223 as well as being more accurate. 20 rnd clip

Your response to what I wrote is 'What about Uvalde'???

This is why it's next to impossible to have a conversation with you. WTF does anything I wrote have to do with the most chicken shit cops in America? It's 100% off topic.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I think it's closer to 90%. If you think only one side is doing it you're also one of the brainwashed.

Nope. The Fox/newsmax/OAN/Bratbart/RT/zerohedge/townhall (etc, etc) News echoystems are seriously flawed and anti-American. They depend on, and want to reinforce, your biases. Let's face it, if they didn't do that, you would not read or watch what they have to say. Though I swore off MSNBC in 2008 because of their leftist bias, from what I've seen of the leftist leaning new sources is not nearly as dangerous. They don't want overthrow our political system.

How did I arrive these conclusions? I was a loyal fox viewer from 2012 to 2016. I still check in and I see and hear what they say. But I decided I didn't want confirmation bias in 2016 (before all the MAGA crap). I wanted the news.

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Nope. The Fox/newsmax/OAN/Bratbart/RT/zerohedge/townhall (etc, etc) News echoystems are seriously flawed and anti-American. They depend on, and want to reinforce, your biases. Let's face it, if they didn't do that, you would not read or watch what they have to say. Though I swore off MSNBC in 2008 because of their leftist bias, for what I've seen of leftist leaning new sources is not nearly as dangerous. They don't want overthrow our political system.

How did I arrive these conclusions? I was a loyal fox viewer from 2012 to 2016. I still check in and I see and hear what they say. But I decided I didn't want confirmation bias in 2016 (before all the MAGA crap). I wanted the news.

If you think any of the news sources are anything close to accurate you have lost it. They are all in the business to spread fear, doom and gloom. You and a lot of others would do yourselves a lot of good to just turn it off & tune them out. The division and anger the news & social media have caused over the years is incredible.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Torgus

God you just love all the left's names for firearms don't you. You go from Assault Weapons, which again is a made up term by politicians for any firearms that looks scary, now to Weapons of War. Literally what the image above talked about. Only people who know next to nothing about firearms use those phrases. Those phrases are to literally scare people who don't know any better. AR15s are not Weapons of War or Assault Weapons. They are just a civilian rifle. Period. End of discussion. You can keep trying to call them whatever you like, just because I say the sky is pink does not mean it is true. If MSNBC called an AR15 a civilian rifle vs Weapon of War it would not have the effect they want. It is against their agenda. They need to vilify and demonize firearms by giving them scary names and associating them with wars.

No one wants to bring an AR15 into a warzone if they can avoid it.

No one wants to ban the Browning BAR Rifle do they? It is a hell of a lot more capable in general, from using much larger rounds than an AR15 shooting .223 as well as being more accurate. 20 rnd clip

Your response to what I wrote is 'What about Uvalde'???

This is why it's next to impossible to have a conversation with you. WTF does anything I wrote have to do with the most chicken shit cops in America? It's 100% off topic.

As you well know, the bar is a fully automatic weapon. Developed in what, 1917? Did the Tommy gun come from out the same time? Also a hell of a lot more effective in close quarters compared to any semi-auto. Both of those are banned.

It continues to amaze me how the gun porn guys try to defend weapons like the assault rifle. You know I spelled specifics for what is considered an assault rifle. But you ignore that, and continue to be very reactionary. Listening does not seem to be your strong suit. Defending your confirmation bias is your strong suit.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by rebekahb

If you think any of the news sources are anything close to accurate you have lost it. They are all in the business to spread fear, doom and gloom. You and a lot of others would do yourselves a lot of good to just turn it off & tune them out. The division and anger the news & social media have caused over the years is incredible.

I do not share your bleak assessment. While there a lot of click bait sensationalism out there, it's still really easy to pick out the quality sites.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

no its because those cops are garbage cops and are pieces of shit.

We can certainly agree on that. Though I don't think sedan clan agrees with that.

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

I do not share your bleak assessment. While there a lot of click bait sensationalism out there, it's still really easy to pick out the quality sites.

It's probably just because I don't care enough to look.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

As you well know, the bar is a fully automatic weapon. Developed in what, 1917? Did the Tommy gun come from out the same time? Also a hell of a lot more effective in close quarters compared to any semi-auto. Both of those are banned.

It continues to amaze me how the gun porn guys try to defend weapons like the assault rifle. You know I spelled specifics for what is considered an assault rifle. But you ignore that, and continue to be very reactionary. Listening does not seem to be your strong suit. Defending your confirmation bias is your strong suit.

Being overly pedantic about firearm descriptions is a common tactic when engaging in these types of discussions. Attempting to paint the gun control advocate as naïve, clueless, etc when it comes to the irrelevant specifications of weapons is just a form of attempting to demonstrate superiority. Dissecting the terms "assault rifle" or "weapon of war" it just a mechanism for defending the indefensible. One does not need to be a firearms expert to come to the conclusion that guns capable of firing hundreds of high velocity rounds and killing dozens of people in a matter of seconds probably dont have a place in a civilized society. But its easier to pick apart in excruciating detail the way the media describes these weapons rather than have an actual debate on the harm caused by allowing easy access to such weapons.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

As you well know, the bar is a fully automatic weapon. Developed in what, 1917? Did the Tommy gun come from out the same time? Also a hell of a lot more effective in close quarters compareed to any semi-auto. Both of those are banned.

*Sigh* Here we go again...no it is not a fully automatic weapon, it is a civilian rifle. It is not banned. Why would it be?

See once again you don't know much about the subject you are talking about: https://www.browning.com/products/fi...ifles/bar.html
The Bar Rifle is a semi auto rifle often used for hunting that can hold a maximum of 20 rounds. Usually they are 6 rounds but you can change a magazine in all of 2 seconds so who cares what the capacity of the magazine is?

You say you want magazine size restrictions, why? This is what the talking heads don't understand either. Unless it is a single shot muzzy any thing with a magazine can be reloaded insanely fast. I could 3D print a larger magazine if I wanted to. Everything before your 'ban' would be grandfathered in so who cares? People sell magazines brand new and you just tell someone they are preban and you are now legal. They can't prove the manufacture date of a magazine. Happens in MA all the time where we can't have more then 10 rounds...unless you tell them the magazine is preban than you are suddenly legal to have 30 rounds or whatever you want basically.

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

It continues to amaze me how the gun porn guys try to defend weapons like the assault rifle. You know I spelled specifics for what is considered assault rifle. But you ignore that, and continue to be very reactionary. Listening does not seem to be your strong suit. Defending your confirmation bias is your strong suit.

Assault Rifles have to be fully automatic. Period.

Who in this thread is advocating for fully automatic rifles and machine guns to be made legal to sell to civilians? NO ONE.

I don't care what you think an assault rifle should or shouldn't be, it does not matter. You can't just define things how you want to fit your narrative.

Originally Posted by gatorfast

One does not need to be a firearms expert to come to the conclusion that guns capable of firing hundreds of high velocity rounds and killing dozens of people in a matter of seconds probably dont have a place in a civilized society. .

Correct, they don't. That is why Assault Rifles and Machine Guns are banned in the USA. An AR15 is not capable of "firing hundreds of high velocity rounds in a matter of seconds".

"killing dozens of people in a matter of seconds" <-- You can do that with a pistol, a car/truck, homemade IED, etc. Banning all civilian rifles will never stop that fact. Most murders are committed with hand guns anyways. You blame the tool not the person with the tool. That is the problem. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. That is why we put people in jail and not the gun/knife/club/brass knuckles, etc.