Future BMW model information (Response Archive)

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Good question. What are the tow ratings for the outgoing F15 35i, 50i, and 40e? That would probably give at least some insight into what we can expect for the G05 40i, 50i, and 45e.

The unofficial information I find through web searches indicates the same 5952lb tow rating for all X5 models (including 40e) regardless of drivetrain.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Wow, is that confirmed? Low volume isn’t too surprising, but just 75 sales is still far less than I would have guessed (and I was pretty skeptical about the demand for this engine leading up to its release). I certainly hadn’t heard it was dead already (if indeed it is), although with such low sales, it might be the right move. From the beginning, the release of the 540d seemed out of touch with market conditions, and it felt almost uncomfortably as though they forced it just to prove they were not cheating and that their diesels could still make it through US regulatory certification.

With the iPerformance lineup soon growing to include the X3, there will be full overlap between the models that include a PHEV and the models that would (or in the past) have included a diesel. The 3er, 5er, 7er, X3, and X5 all get “e” models, and while they might not necessarily offer the peak torque of a diesel, they do offer improved fuel economy compared to a similar gasoline model. The only thing missing is a 545e Model - the 5 Series should offer the drivetrains from both its larger and smaller siblings, just as it does with the gasoline engines.

I should add here that I can still see a potential market for a diesel X3 or X5 since they might be used to tow a boat or for other activities where the torque is beneficial. But for passenger cars, the demand appears to have shifted.

While it isn’t 100% confirmed by BMW, the 540d is no longer on the configurator. Pair that with the X3 diesel being confirmed earlier this year, to no news on it at all months later, and it seems BMW diesel is dead. I believe there was only 75 produced, it was either on bimmerpost or bimmerfest someone posted about buying the last produced 540d and their dealer told them they only made 75.

Electric/Plug ins are the future, but i really liked the diesels for their torque and their engines. Unlike the plug ins they still use 3liter I6s which are much better than 2L 4cylinders.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

While it isn’t 100% confirmed by BMW, the 540d is no longer on the configurator.

That's definitely not a good sign, but I wonder if it could have anything to do with the switch from MY2018 to MY2019? It seems that there could simply be a delay in getting certification, if indeed they must rectify for the new model year (I believe they have to, but not certain).

Was the 2019 540d ever listed on the website, or was it only the 2018? I do see that they put the 2019 model into the order guide, so they had planned to offer it at some point in fairly the recent past.

Pair that with the X3 diesel being confirmed earlier this year, to no news on it at all months later, and it seems BMW diesel is dead.

According to ynguldyn's latest update, it seems the X5 40d is still possible. I don't think the X3 30d has been completely ruled out entirely yet either, AFAIK. Of course, I do agree with you that the market for BMW diesels in the US is drying up. Perhaps it isn't quite time to bury them yet though (?).

[DSM517]

Does anyone know when the G05 X5M will be released? Will it be using the current engine or a variant of the M5? Thanks!

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by DSM517

Does anyone know when the G05 X5M will be released?

From the OP:

"2020 F95 X5 M"

So it will come next year as a 2020 model.

Will it be using the current engine or a variant of the M5? Thanks!

From the OP:

"The next M5, X5M, and X6M will all get the same engine, S63B44T4. Note that the latest production iteration of this engine is T2. My best guess for the reasons for skipping T3 is that T3 did exist, but the engineers went further and made a still better version."

It is worth reading the OP if you have any questions about future products. In fact it is generally a great idea to just quickly read the first post of a thread before replying with questions.

Forum member yngulgyn has been sharing information with us for a few years now, and its generally been a very good predictor of what comes to pass.

[darksilkx1]

Wow its beginning to look like next years X3 and X4 will have LCI level changes. 10% power bump, new dash. Not sure buying one this year would be a good idea if one can avoid it.

[SEAT TIME RULES]

BMW has ended diesel production for the US. it is indeed from the upcoming ban of all diesels in German cities and quite possibly all European cities moving forward.

There are about 50 2019 5 series diesels that are on the locater the last time I checked.


So the 3 series, 5 series and X diesels all are shelved or production has ended.


Clean diesel emits no carbon monoxide, but the particulate emissions are what has triggered their upcoming ban in German cities.

Its sad because BMW would have had a niche market all to themselves here in the US.

[nogren]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

BMW has ended diesel production for the US. it is indeed from the upcoming ban of all diesels in German cities and quite possibly all European cities moving forward.

There are about 50 2019 5 series diesels that are on the locater the last time I checked.


So the 3 series, 5 series and X diesels all are shelved or production has ended.


Clean diesel emits no carbon monoxide, but the particulate emissions are what has triggered their upcoming ban in German cities.

Its sad because BMW would have had a niche market all to themselves here in the US.

I would not call it a total ban.
Diesels in Europe are still a big thing. If they comply to the newest Euro 6d-TEMP emission levels. Which the BMW diesels, both I4 and I6 do. There might still be CBD environmental zones that requires electric or Hybrids though.

I am waiting for a G01 30d, built in Spartanburg. And it's not the only one being built there.. :-)

/n

[adc]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

BMW has ended diesel production for the US. it is indeed from the upcoming ban of all diesels in German cities and quite possibly all European cities moving forward.

There are about 50 2019 5 series diesels that are on the locater the last time I checked.


So the 3 series, 5 series and X diesels all are shelved or production has ended.


Clean diesel emits no carbon monoxide, but the particulate emissions are what has triggered their upcoming ban in German cities.

Its sad because BMW would have had a niche market all to themselves here in the US.

Why is it sad? You absolutely want that crap in your lungs?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

BMW has ended diesel production for the US. it is indeed from the upcoming ban of all diesels in German cities and quite possibly all European cities moving forward.

That explanation seems a bit suspicious, no? If these bans haven't yet caused diesels to end production for Europe (and, as the above member "nogren" clarifies, they absolutely haven't) then why would they be the cause of diesels to end production in the US?

So the 3 series, 5 series and X diesels all are shelved or production has ended.

Not for ROW. If this is indeed true for the US, then lets see if we can get a source to confirm that information.

[antzcrashing]

Will the M2 CSL be as good as the 1M you sold in limited run then takith away like NES classic?

[Gonven]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Correct. Just keep in mind that its MY2020 could start any time in 2019 - though my money would be on August.

Do you have any idea when will be the debut of X4M/X3M?
Thanks for your effort

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Gonven

Do you have any idea when will be the debut of X4M/X3M?

From the OP:

2020 F97 X3 M

2020 F98 X4 M

So it will arrive sometime next year.

As I said in another post just above, there is a great deal of helpful information in the OP. Please do read it so that you have all of the latest information.

[michal12]

Anyone knows if the updated 530hp V8 engine is going to appear in the M550i anytime soon??

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by michal12

Anyone knows if the updated 530hp V8 engine is going to appear in the M550i anytime soon??

January 2017 and July 2018 updates in the top post.

[michal12]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

January 2017 and July 2018 updates in the top post.

Ah. Cheers!

[squeaky]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

The unofficial information I find through web searches indicates the same 5952lb tow rating for all X5 models (including 40e) regardless of drivetrain.

BMWNA press release says 7,209 pounds with the factory hitch for both the G05 40i and 50i.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I think your dealer will know? You better call if you want to order one.

Found one to my approx spec. Azurite Black M3CP in a few weeks. Back in an M soooooon!

[choupaps]

Hi ynguldyn,

Do you have any information about the B48A20T1 in the Minis, particularly the F56 (it would be the JCW GP), is it with manual or automatic gearbox ?

Thanks

Best regards

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by choupaps

Do you have any information about the B48A20T1 in the Minis, particularly the F56 (it would be the JCW GP), is it with manual or automatic gearbox ?

T1 is for F54 and F60 only, and it will be automatic only. Just wait for the X2 M35i to show up, the whole drivetrain will be exactly the same in the Minis.

F55 and F56 JCW will carry on with just minor tweaks to the existing engine.

[choupaps]

Thank you very much fot these fast answers ! So we can only hope 180 kW in the F56 JCW GP ?

Apart from that, do you confirm 290 kW for the B58B30O1 ? What about the torque ? 550 nm ?

And last question please, the torque of the B48T1 ? 400 nm ?

Thanks a lot !

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by choupaps

Thank you very much fot these fast answers ! So we can only hope 180 kW in the F56 JCW GP ?

Apart from that, do you confirm 290 kW for the B58B30O1 ? What about the torque ? 550 nm ?

And last question please, the torque of the B48T1 ? 400 nm ?

Thanks a lot !

I'm not sure what "JCW GP" is. There's just JCW. 170kW in F56.

B58B30O1 is 285kW.

For everything else, just wait and see.