The Airplane Thread

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

Phenom 300 or Legacy 600? Since yesterday, conflicting reports were being circulated regarding the plane crash.


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Must've missed it... plane crash?

[RobotDoctor]

Queen of the skies, oh how I do miss her! I also miss the Tulip livery!!!

[RobotDoctor]

A view from above (maybe 5 or 6 years ago)

[vreihen16]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

Must've missed it... plane crash?

A private jet with 10 souls on board crashed flying between Moscow and St. Petersburg. The passenger manifest is all over the press.....

[RobotDoctor]

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[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

A private jet with 10 souls on board crashed flying between Moscow and St. Petersburg. The passenger manifest is all over the press.....

Oh..... that one. I was thinking one here.

[Llarry]

Some Corsair love...

Preserved UK Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm Corsair IV (FG-1D)

[Llarry]

The U.S. Marine Corps leads a charmed life in the budget battles in Washington D.C, with powerful allies in Congress. The result is that what the Corps wants, it gets.

A small example can be seen in the Marines' small fleet of operational support aircraft (OSA), which I would call something akin to air taxis for generals.

The OSA fleet includes a dozen each of UC-35D (Cessna Citation Encore) jet aircraft and UC-12W (Beechcraft 350 King Air) turboprop aircraft. The Marines plan to replace the UC-35D jets with more UC-12W turboprops. Probably slower but just as comfortable.

Marine Corps OSA aircraft are fitted with defensive systems, visible in the photos near the nose and tail.

[Llarry]

The Boeing 314 Clipper was a 1930s design flying boat designed to carry passengers in comfort on trans-oceanic routes. Only 12 were built from 1938 to 1941 and of those, nine were used by Pan American Airways and three by British Overseas Airways (BOAC). Notably, UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill made the first trans-Atlantic flight by a head of state shortly after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in a 314 Clipper.

On the Pacific flights, the aircraft would make multiple stops over six days, island-hopping across the ocean.

The 314 used the same wing as the Boeing XB-15 heavy bomber and was powered by four Wright Twin Cyclone twin-row 14-cylinder engines, known in military applications as the R-2600. The R-2600 went on to power a number of twin-engine aircraft such as the Douglas A-20, the North American B-25 Mitchell and Navy PBM flying boats. It was also used by two important Navy wartime single-engine designs -- the Grumman TBF/TBM torpedo bomber and the Curtiss SB2C dive bomber.

The 314s were taken over by the military during World War II and were surplus by the end of the war in 1945.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_314_Clipper

[Llarry]

Originally Posted by Llarry

The Boeing 314 Clipper was a 1930s design flying boat designed to carry passengers in comfort on trans-oceanic routes.

Boeing's 314 was not the only four-engine flying boat used by the Navy, although it was the largest (for a while). Just a couple of years after the extremely successful Consolidated PBY Catalina flew, the company designed and built a larger aircraft for the Navy: The Consolidated PB2Y Coronado.

The PB2Y first flew in 1937. The cost was high -- a four-engine PB2Y cost three times as much as its twin-engine PBY little brother. The Navy bought 217 PB2Ys prior to and during World War II. While most were delivered in heavily armed patrol bomber form, they were later converted to transport or medical evacuation aircraft. The prototype had a single vertical tail but production PB2Y-2 examples had twin tails. The PB2Y-3 introduced wartime essentials such as self-sealing fuel tanks, etc. The final model, the PB2Y-5, eliminated two-stage supercharged engines as the PB2Ys spent most of their flights at low altitude and high-altitude performance was not a priority.

One oddity: Many PB2Ys used four-blade props on the inboard engines and three-blade props on the outboard engines. (see third photo)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consol..._PB2Y_Coronado

[Llarry]

The largest flying boat used by the U.S. Navy was the Martin JRM (JR = Utility transport; M = Martin) Mars. The Mars was originally conceived as a very large patrol bomber, the PB2M. After a long period of design and development, the flying boat flew in 1942. The Navy ordered the design as a transport rather than a patrol bomber. Few had been completed before the end of World War II and the Navy cancelled contracts for all but 7 JRMs. Most used Wright R-3350 engines, but the final Mars was fitted with larger Pratt & Whitney R-4360 powerplants.

The JRMs served the Navy in the Pacific until 1956, when they were retired. In 1959 they were to be sold for scrap and a Canadian outfit bought four of them, plus spare parts, to be used as water bombers in British Columbia. They were based on Sproat Lake on Vancouver Island and served for years. I believe they are no longer flying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_JRM_Mars

[Llarry]

The UK designed and produced a flying boat that was similar in some respects to the Consolidated PB2Y Coronado: The Short Sunderland.

The Sunderland first flew in 1937 and entered service in 1938. A total of 749 were built and they served with RAF Coastal Command, as well as with the RAAF, RCAF and the RNZAF. The latter did not retire their boats until 1967, when they were replaced by P-3 Orions.

The Sunderland was powered by four Bristol Pegasus 9-cylinder radial engines of 1,065 horsepower each. During World War II, as additional equipment such as radar was added to the airplane, performance suffered and the Mark V version replaced the Pegasus with Pratt & Whitney 14-cylinder R-1830s of 1,200 horsepower each. Some earlier variants were upgraded to Mark V standard.

A unique feature of the Sunderland was the provisions for dropping bombs or depth charges. This is generally an issue for flying boats. Short's solution was internal bomb storage with a door and a trolley-type arrangement to winch the weapons out onto the wing, then drop them. (See photos)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Sunderland

[Romo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_Princess

[3798j]

That MIG23 that crashed...
This is pretty wild. Pilot says he wasn't ready to eject, backseater says he doesn't exactly remember but may have pulled the ejection lever.

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...eady-to-eject/

[Llarry]

Just before World War II, the Navy contracted with Boeing for a new, longer-range twin-engine flying boat. The Boeing PBB Sea Ranger first flew in mid-1942 and initial tests were promising. However, the Army program to build the Boeing B-29 Superfortress was the highest national priority and the Navy agreed to turn over production facilities for the PBB to the Army for B-29 production.

The PBB was the largest twin-engine flying boat designed for the USN and was powered by twin Wright R-3350 18-cylinder radials.

Just a single prototype, the XPBB-1, was manufactured and it flew for several years until scrapped after WWII.

[Llarry]

Although the Boeing PBB Sea Ranger did not get a production contract, the Navy later flew large Boeings in the P for Patrol category. But they were not mainstream patrol aircraft.

In the days after World War II, the services found themselves with thousands and thousands of aircraft that were surplus to their needs. Not long after the war, the U.S. Navy got a small batch of Boeing B-17G Flying Fortresses with the intent of using them as land-based airborne early warning planes. The Navy designated them as PB-1W. It took a few years to complete the modifications, which notably included a large radome/radar in the area of the bomb bay doors which were sealed closed. By 1950 or so they were operational with the fleet in two airborne early warning squadrons. A total of 22 aircraft were transferred and modified. By 1956 they were gone -- replaced by Lockheed Super Constellations with extensive radar installations.

In 1947, the Navy also got four Boeing B-29 Superfortresses for experimental work and designated them P2B-1. One was the mother ship for the experimental supersonic jet- and/or rocket-powered Douglas D-588-2 Skyrocket, which would be taken to altitude and dropped before igniting the rocket engine. The D-588-2 set a number of speed and altitude records in the late 1940s and early 1950s.

[vreihen16]

Took this around lunchtime today. Looks like someone is gonna be feasting on fresh lobsters tonight!!!!!





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[Llarry]

Long before the current era of heavy-lift aircraft such as the C-5 the U.S. Air Force recognized the need for more airlift capability. One solution was the Douglas C-124 Globemaster II. The C-124 had two decks and thus was not ideal for loading and unloading very bulky items. The forward clamshell doors helped but were not large enough.

The C-124 was preceded by a slightly smaller Douglas aircraft, the C-74, which first flew in 1945 and was produced in very limited numbers. (not pictured)

The C-124 itself first flew in 1949 and entered service the next year. It stayed in production until 1955; 448 were built. It stayed in service until the 1970s; it was replaced by the Lockheed C-141.

The -124 was known as "Old Shaky" due to its vibration. It was powered by four Pratt & Whitney 28-cylinder R-4360 radial piston engines, not known for their reliability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dougla...Globemaster_II

[Llarry]

After the introduction of the Lockheed C-130 Hercules, Douglas Aircraft designed and built a second heavy-lifter, but this one was larger and much more useful in transporting heavy or bulky loads: The Douglas C-133 Globemaster. The C-133 also included turboprop power with 7,500 horsepower Pratt & Whitney T34 engines.

The C-133 followed the same basic layout of the C-130, with a rear cargo ramp and a front side cargo door. It first flew in 1956 and 50 were produced until 1961.

With the introduction of the Lockheed C-5A in 1970, the C-133 was clearly obsolete and was retired in 1971.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_C-133_Cargomaster

[flybigjet]

Originally Posted by Llarry

With the introduction of the Lockheed C-5A in 1970, the C-133 was clearly obsolete and was retired in 1971.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_C-133_Cargomaster

Well, that and they crashed about 20% of the total number manufactured.

Seriously. Look it up.

There's a reason that its nickname was "The Widowmaker".

R.

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Took this around lunchtime today. Looks like someone is gonna be feasting on fresh lobsters tonight!!!!! .

My Dad recounted the "Special Missions" to some US Airbase. What they were actually doing was pre-ordering steaks and lobsters from the Officers' Mess because they were really cheap. The Voodoo had a large swiveling belly luggage bin (Probably a former bomb bay) that they would load-up in coolers.

Squadron BBQs were always well attended.

[Llarry]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

My Dad recounted the "Special Missions" to some US Airbase. What they were actually doing was pre-ordering steaks and lobsters from the Officers' Mess because they were really cheap. The Voodoo had a large swiveling belly luggage bin (Probably a former bomb bay) that they would load-up in coolers.

I think the RCAF's Voodoos originally had rotating missile bays for Falcon air-to-air missiles and Genie nuclear-tipped rockets. As you say, perfect for the transport of BBQ material.