Horner in trouble at Red Bull

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Never seen so many victims of click bait in one place other than Twitter/X.

the F1 gossip is next level. Like all the tabloid writers quit and decided to become F1 journalists...

[M3WC]

Just the vague nature of allegations is weird..."controlling behavior". Then they had to throw in it was towards a female employee. So the media in beginning started running with sexual allegations. It was then updated to being about his management style.

This all reeks of an attempted railroad job. Horner has been with RB for 20 years. His management style wasn't a problem until now? Just seems odd. You don't think Guenther yelled at employees or even Toto. We have seen Toto have blow ups live on camera.

[Car-Addicted]

I've created 4 companies in my many years and I can say that it would be a good day if I was accused of having a "controlling behavior". It's called leadership, it isn't always fun but it is always necessary.

“The Way means inducing the people to have the same aim as the leadership.“
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[Andrew2]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/moto...l_article_link

Had to laugh at this ...

Given his history, Bernie is maybe not the best to take advice from !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/moto...l_article_link

Had to laugh at this ...

Given his history, Bernie is maybe not the best to take advice from !

Bernie has had his good moments and lucked in at the right time to be a 'billion dollar babe' buying F1 in the eighties for peanuts and amassing his fortune from thence but time has caught up with him and CH should rather make Bernie a cup of tea and discuss the weather than listening to him on this.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Just the vague nature of allegations is weird..."controlling behavior". Then they had to throw in it was towards a female employee. So the media in beginning started running with sexual allegations. It was then updated to being about his management style.

This all reeks of an attempted railroad job. Horner has been with RB for 20 years. His management style wasn't a problem until now? Just seems odd. You don't think Guenther yelled at employees or even Toto. We have seen Toto have blow ups live on camera.

Pressure must be building on the woman to reveal herself and show what the problem is rather than this cloak and dagger stuff, after all in this age of equality things need to be balanced up. If it was a man he'd be known by now?

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Pressure must be building on the woman to reveal herself and show what the problem is rather than this cloak and dagger stuff, after all in this age of equality things need to be balanced up. If it was a man he'd be known by now?

If it doesn't involve sexism or sexual harassment and only revolves around his management style aka "controlling behavior". What does it even matter if said employee is male or female? None of this is makes any sense. The fact no details about the allegations have been leaked is suspicious.

My guess is whoever got this going was expecting Horner just to take a paycheck and leave. But instead he is fighting back.

Meanwhile Christian Horner is at a shakedown event for Red Bull today at Silverstone and is expected to be appear at the car launch on Thursday.

[Killed by Death]

Gotta be some snowflake BS since nothing of substance has leaked yet.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by M3WC

If it doesn't involve sexism or sexual harassment and only revolves around his management style aka "controlling behavior". What does it even matter if said employee is male or female? None of this is makes any sense. The fact no details about the allegations have been leaked is suspicious.

My guess is whoever got this going was expecting Horner just to take a paycheck and leave. But instead he is fighting back.

Meanwhile Christian Horner is at a shakedown event for Red Bull today at Silverstone and is expected to be appear at the car launch on Thursday.

If anyone is expecting for CH to resign after 19 years toiling to bring in championships then they must be out of their minds.
It would take more than a worker with a grudge for him to pack his belongings and leave.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Gotta be some snowflake BS since nothing of substance has leaked yet.

It's not snowflake issue, it's sometime wanting to get rid of him and using a lame excuse.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Pressure must be building on the woman to reveal herself and show what the problem is rather than this cloak and dagger stuff, after all in this age of equality things need to be balanced up. If it was a man he'd be known by now?

She's a drama queen with golden tears .

In other words : A B1tch .

[G30M]

so they wanted to get rid of CH before today (car launch/reveal day)

but CH is attending and not a single word from RB GmbH since they launched their "investigation"

anyone has link to video of the launch event?

aka Drive to Survive 2024 Episode 1

[Roman]

Originally Posted by g21

so they wanted to get rid of CH before today (car launch/reveal day)

but CH is attending and not a single word from RB GmbH since they launched their "investigation"

anyone has link to video of the launch event?

aka Drive to Survive 2024 Episode 1

I'm pretty sure the RB launch is tomorrow.

[M5Rick]

CH will be present at the launch.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/26007...ar-launch.html

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Roman

I'm pretty sure the RB launch is tomorrow.

I see, I'm a day ahead in the time zone

[GuidoK]

That Horner will be present at the launch, and that he wasn't put on leave right away when the allegations were made says to me that this whole matter just isn't that serious.

My prediction is that this will die a quiet death.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

That Horner will be present at the launch, and that he wasn't put on leave right away when the allegations were made says to me that this whole matter just isn't that serious.

My prediction is that this will die a quiet death

Spot on !

Let us burn the witch ...

[G30M]

CH probably demanded for a whole 10 hours they check every RB employee's crotch to match the picture before he presents his side of the story.

They are checking.

[G30M]

Marko declaring that he hopes the "turbulence at Red Bull" will soon pass.

Sounds like Horner is staying ? coup d'état der ausfall ?

[Artemis]

"Red Bull F1 team principal Christian Horner denies allegation of inappropriate behavior"
CNN - Feb 16, 2024
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/16/s...ntl/index.html

[lens]

https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/statu...168321547?s=20


“The riot within Formula 1 team Red Bull Racing around the independent investigation of team boss Christian Horner turns out to be one of great proportions. The female employee who reported to the headquarters of the billion-dollar group in Austria in December 2023 accuses Horner of sexually transgressive behavior.

The employee has ceded app traffic, which would show this, to the external lawyer investigating the Horner case. De Telegraaf faced this app traffic. Horner has so far denied all allegations.

De Telegraaf's publication on February 5 about the investigation instituted by the Red Bull summit by an external, specialist lawyer already hit like a bomb in the Formula 1 world. Since then, there has been plenty of speculation about the exact allegations of the employee in question, whose name is known to this editor.

Explosive material

It now appears that the woman's explosive material goes far beyond 'just' some voice elevation of the powerful team boss and his management style, as was claimed here and there.

Stories about this have been circulating within the Formula 1 world for months, also in 2023, and were already known behind the scenes at the time of the meeting with all team bosses in London, on the same February 5.

App traffic

To be confirmed by multiple sources in Milton Keynes, England, those sounds around the big presentation of the racing team on Thursday.

The app traffic between the female employee of Red Bull and Horner, seen by De Telegraaf, shows the image that Horner (50) has arranged and sent sexually-toned messages to the employee over a significant period of time.

To cover the case

All messages have been saved and sent through the employee's lawyer to the engaged, external lawyer. He sat around the table with Horner for hours last Friday. Previously, the reporter had been heard for a long time.

It is also clear that Horner did everything he could to cover up the case. In the weekend before the first publication in De Telegraaf – after he was confronted with the investigation into cross-border behavior on Friday evening, February 2 and was asked for a response – his lawyers sent a letter to the lawyer who asssist the reporter within 24 hours. In it, the Horner camp offers a settlement for an amount of no less than 650,000 pounds, converted to more than 760,000 euros.

Allegations known at Red Bull summit

Horner is not only a well-known figure in England because of his position as team boss of Red Bull Racing in the Formula 1 world (since 2005) and the fact that he is in charge of more than 1500 employees. He is also in a relationship with former Spice Girl Geri Halliwell and is therefore extra in the spotlight.

The allegations, the app- traffic and the tone of the apps are known at the Red Bull- summit in Austria, with Mark Mateschitz and sports boss Oliver Mintzlaff, among others.

Support from Yoovidhya

Yet Horner has not yet been put on non-active, pending the investigation, and he has not decided to (temporarily) take a step back himself. That has everything to do with the fact that the Briton still has the support of the Thai Chalerm Yoovidhya. He owns Red Bull for 51 percent and therefore owns a majority. The remaining shares, 49 percent, are owned by Mark Mateschitz, the son of Dietrich Mateschitz, who died in 2022.

Horner was just at work for the past period and also present at the Red Bull plant in Milton Keynes on Thursday at the presentation of the new car of world champions Max Verstappen and Sergio Pérez for the upcoming Formula 1 season. Next week, the test days in Bahrain are scheduled, the place where the first race of the season will also be held a week later (Saturday 2 March).

Rather lost than rich

The Briton again denied all allegations to him on Thursday after the team presentation, stated that he will just be in Bahrain next week, did not think about getting off and also said he felt a lot of support within the team and from the Red Bull summit.

However, it is clear that many insiders, and probably also Horner himself, realize that within that Red Bull- top - so not from the racing team but from the headquarters in Austria - many would rather lose him than be rich.

Known to other protagonists in F1

It is not for nothing that headquarters, after questions from De Telegraaf about accusations against Horner, quickly confirmed that an investigation is indeed underway and the case is being taken 'extremely seriously'. Horner had no knowledge of the statement at the time.

Horner's allegations of sexually transgressive behavior are now also known to several, other protagonists in the Formula 1 world.

Eyes focused on Liberty Media

In addition, the eyes of the American sports owners of Liberty Media – owner of the Formula 1 for four billion euros since 2016 – are also focused on the issue and its handling, as are Red Bulls major, American sponsors Oracle and Ford.

It is precisely in the United States that these kinds of things around multinationals and world-famous sports brands are extra sensitive.

Horner did not want to respond to questions about app traffic.”


🤔

If he was actually accused of sexual misconduct, he would be suspended until further review.

[DrFerry]

Originally Posted by lens

🤔 If he was actually accused of sexual misconduct, he would be suspended until further review.

Horner's not going anywhere IMO. Red Bull either fire him, or he stays put.