2023 NFL Thread

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringme...trade-proposal

As a Vikings fan I actually like this idea and have been floating this idea with other folks that I talk football with. I might be the only fan that wouldn't mind seeing this happen. JJ is amazing but without a strong supporting cast on the team all he gives us is stats and entertained fans. Getting value for him now before having to pay him $40 million+ per year I think puts the Vikes in a better position for future success. It would be horrible for ticket sales and there would be lots of crying MN children.

Am I crazy??

youre crazy.

jefferson is the type of WR you pay big bucks to. Especially if Cousins isnt your long term plan. if you asked the chiefs if they would give up the picks they got for hill and get Hill back, they would do it in a heartbeat.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Malpractice? Replacing the original knee with some metallic substitute, would think it might hold up to football stress. I guess the anchor points in the bone could come loose.

I saw the college replay, but ESPN wouldn't show last night.

just a freak accident, no malpractice.

you could have replaced his entire leg with metal and with the hit he took to it last night, it still woulda been bad.

[Josh-PA]

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

https://www.si.com/fannation/bringme...trade-proposal

As a Vikings fan I actually like this idea and have been floating this idea with other folks that I talk football with. I might be the only fan that wouldn't mind seeing this happen. JJ is amazing but without a strong supporting cast on the team all he gives us is stats and entertained fans. Getting value for him now before having to pay him $40 million+ per year I think puts the Vikes in a better position for future success. It would be horrible for ticket sales and there would be lots of crying MN children.

Am I crazy??

You're crazy.

Cousins definitely isn't the answer. You need to cut him loose and hope you pick the right quarterback in the draft. Having JJ will accelerate that QB's growth and his contract will overlap with the QB rookie deal so you'll have the cap room to afford him. The first part of that article - trade Cousins to the Jets and write off this year - I do that all day, every day and personally drive Cousins to NY.

[JMcLellan]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

youre crazy.

jefferson is the type of WR you pay big bucks to. Especially if Cousins isnt your long term plan. if you asked the chiefs if they would give up the picks they got for hill and get Hill back, they would do it in a heartbeat.

I just need to see more effort in building out other areas. We aren't going to win with JJ, a bad defense, poor O-line, and no running game. Throwing the ball all over the field doesn't do it for me without the other pieces.

[JMcLellan]

Originally Posted by Josh-PA

You're crazy.

Cousins definitely isn't the answer. You need to cut him loose and hope you pick the right quarterback in the draft. Having JJ will accelerate that QB's growth and his contract will overlap with the QB rookie deal so you'll have the cap room to afford him. The first part of that article - trade Cousins to the Jets and write off this year - I do that all day, every day and personally drive Cousins to NY.

Agreed on Cousins. We should trade him now and at least get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him vs let his final year of his contract run out.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by Josh-PA

You're crazy.

Cousins definitely isn't the answer. You need to cut him loose and hope you pick the right quarterback in the draft. Having JJ will accelerate that QB's growth and his contract will overlap with the QB rookie deal so you'll have the cap room to afford him. The first part of that article - trade Cousins to the Jets and write off this year - I do that all day, every day and personally drive Cousins to NY.

Cousins isnt the issue.

the defense is the issue. poor drafting and building of the defense has led to this.

Cousins has thrown for 364yds 4tds 0ints and 344yds 2tds 1int in 2 losses. The defense and lack of a running game is letting him down.

But i agree with the point that Jefferson is the best way to get good qb play on that offense.

[Josh-PA]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

Cousins isnt the issue.

the defense is the issue. poor drafting and building of the defense has led to this.

Cousins has thrown for 364yds 4tds 0ints and 344yds 2tds 1int in 2 losses. The defense and lack of a running game is letting him down.

But i agree with the point that Jefferson is the best way to get good qb play on that offense.

I don't think you can win it all with a veteran quarterback that is in that 10 to 15th best range on an expensive deal.
I think you either need a top 5 (maybe top 10 with good drafting) QB who's good enough to overcome for all the deficiencies a team creates when they pay QB dollars, or an above average young QB o a rookie deal where the team can spend on all of the other key areas of the field and have a complete team.

Cousins is in that no mans land where he is good but not great but too expensive to put great around him.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Malpractice? Replacing the original knee with some metallic substitute, would think it might hold up to football stress. I guess the anchor points in the bone could come loose.

I saw the college replay, but ESPN wouldn't show last night.

There are some videos on line. His foot was planted and Minkha went low directly to the front of the knee. Chubb's knee bent backwards(hyperextended) quite a bit, it was disgusting. Anyone's knee is gong to get destroyed in that situation.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by Josh-PA

I don't think you can win it all with a veteran quarterback that is in that 10 to 15th best range on an expensive deal.
I think you either need a top 5 (maybe top 10 with good drafting) QB who's good enough to overcome for all the deficiencies a team creates when they pay QB dollars, or an above average young QB o a rookie deal where the team can spend on all of the other key areas of the field and have a complete team.

Cousins is in that no mans land where he is good but not great but too expensive to put great around him.

same thing was said about stafford.

You need a top 15 QB to make the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, you need health and good coaching. Vikes havent had good coaching.

Its the same argument people like to say about Dak. Reality is, once youre in the playoffs, anything goes. Mahomes/Brady have skewed peoples perspectives on what it takes to win a sb and expectations for every season. Your best bet at making a SB is making the playoffs. A qb of Cousins talent can do that.

And the alternative to dumping a QB like cousins is you get stuck drafting qbs that dont pan out. 21 QBs taken in the 1st round over the last 6 years. Only ones that you can say are hits right now are Lamar, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence, and maybe Tua. And only 1 of those has made a SB. Not great odds

[EDWYER]

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/17...GW4UMbkQHq-E6Q

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

im not one to overreact or hype up the cowboys much,

BUT THE DALLAS COWBOYS ARE GOING 20-0

In light of the Diggs injury, Id like to clarify this. Before it was 20-0 with 20+ point blowouts. Now its 20-0 but with a few 1-2 score games sprinkled in with the 20+ point blowouts

[AmuroRay]

Why is Justin Fields trash, but Mac Jones good?

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by EDWYER

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/17...GW4UMbkQHq-E6Q

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....

[TXSTYLE]

Nick Chubb... Painful to look at. Can't imagine the actual feeling.

[TXSTYLE]

Trap Game?

Dallas looked like complete ass against a subpar team.

I will admit though... We are minus our 2 BEST Offensive Lineman. And it showed.

[Bongoxxx]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Trap Game?

Dallas looked like complete ass against a subpar team.

I will admit though... We are minus our 2 BEST Offensive Lineman. And it showed.

Excuses excuses. Dallas doing Dallas things

Bears suck…
Viking suck…

Packers pull out a win into 4th

Oh and if you want excuses TXSTYLE - Packers missing RB1, WR1, All Pro LT, All Pro LG and CB1

[lakefront]

Originally Posted by Bongoxxx

Excuses excuses. Dallas doing Dallas things

Bears suck…
Viking suck…

Packers pull out a win into 4th

Oh and if you want excuses TXSTYLE - Packers missing RB1, WR1, All Pro LT, All Pro LG and CB1

Exactly. And this is what happens when you base anything on the first few weeks of the season.
But I do like what I see from a very young Packers team. Lot of young talent at skill positions, will see how Love pans out. Get rid of the boat anchor at Defensive coodinator and next year will be losing Rodgers $40 mil cap hit. May not be a .500 team this year but I like the future.....despite not having a HOF QB.

[M3WC]

Regardless of injuries, with the talent Dallas has. You can’t go to AZ and lose to Dobbs. 5 red zone trips and one TD, really Dak? Pathetic.

[JMcLellan]

Are the Jets going to stick with Wilson, or might they make an offer for Kirk Cousins? I'm ready to blow it all up here in MN. Even if the Vikes somehow managed 9/10 wins this year and made the playoffs....they ain't winning a playoff game this year. If the Vikes don't intend to sign Kirk after this year you move on now and get some value for him. Maybe we need to see a couple more games to make sure we really suck?

[vreihen16]

Is Denver's defense *really* bad enough to let Miami run up 70 points?????

[MassWholeBimmer]

I watched the Jets/Patriots game. ..First off I had no skin in the game.. Betting wise or from a fan standpoint. That said, is it just me ?

That game was painful to "listen to". When are they going to get rid of Tony Romo as an anouncer...

[JMcLellan]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Is Denver's defense *really* bad enough to let Miami run up 70 points?????

Watching the highlights it looks like they stopped trying after a while. Crazy day for fantasy football for anyone that had some Miami playmakers.