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09-19-2022, 10:39 PM | #133 | |
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09-19-2022, 10:53 PM | #134 | |
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Let's be real about who has the echo chamber here. Anytime there is an EV mentioned or front page article about one it gets turned into total garbage by like-minded individuals that you happen to agree with. The only propagandist here is the one that creates EV scare / shock / outrage porn threads on a BMW forum. Maybe you're an unwitting propagandist, but that just makes it more sad. Bimmerpost isn't the place for you to "wake up the sheeple". Most people come here to get away from that. The Politics and Religion sub was removed for various good reasons. |
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Ok, I’m done with this comment section. Pretty much a waste of my time as people will believe what they want and find “facts” from sites that only agree with them. Good luck powering all these Evs as the grid will never catch up and power costs will eventually skyrocket. Elitist minded people don’t care how costs effect anyone less then them. Just a bunch of “luck at me” selfish human-beings. Last edited by Angelo_GraysonMiniBMW; 09-20-2022 at 09:29 AM.. |
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09-20-2022, 09:29 AM | #139 | |
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My prediction is more government intervention.. Lithium will effectively be rationed in the form of regulating battery power per vehicle. No production Plaids, S, X, Lucids, eHellCats, quad, triple or dual motors. Everyone will have their single motor bubble / jelly bean cars with no more than x : y power to weight ratio (or however it is restricted). High powered dual or greater motors / aftermarket hi KW batteries will be analogous to supercars and similarly attainable to those who have the means.
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09-20-2022, 09:49 AM | #141 |
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the politics section was great tbh. it allows everyone to say what they are thinking in automony. you learn just how stupid people are. the same people arguing for covid mandates and lockdowns are the same people defending EVs.
like someone said above, its all about choice to me. yall can do whatever the fuck yall please. but please allow me the same. but we don't like that anymore and more and more freedoms taken away so short-minded people can be pacified. Im all about hybrids. |
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09-20-2022, 10:27 AM | #142 | |
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Now cars and electric grids, idk what I am talking about. I think we should go electric as people would like, let the market speak for itself. tbh electrics will dominate. not many car enthusiasts left. and electric is feasible for more than 80% of people. This thread really got derailed because one day some asshat will wake up and go...how do I make my political campaign more extreme then the next asshat. annnd boom I am going to BAN all ICE. anyways I digress. this topic is going as expected on bimmerpost. you have this discussion on teslapost and it will be the opposite. so life goes on |
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09-20-2022, 11:18 AM | #143 | |
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Rare earths are not rare, this is a WELL known fact. I don't care what your uncle's buddy's cousin's friend knows or thinks. The concentration of rare earths in the Earth's crust is around 150 to 220 ppm, which is higher than copper. Only a few of the 17, like thulium, are actually rare and the rarest few don't have as many industrial uses. Even still, there is estimated to be thulium deposits around 125x the amount of gold left. They just haven't been profitable enough to look hard for and some of them may be hard to mine given the mineral compositions they frequently appear in. Hard to mine != rare. The 2 that are of the most concern are neodymium and dysprosium, but it's not batteries, it's magnets. Nd is obviously the main constituent of top quality permanent magnets, and Dy is a dopant for the magnets. They are already being designed out of current and future EV motors. Some of Tesla's drive units already shipping are PM free. https://spectrum.ieee.org/mahles-ele...ma-no-contacts |
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09-20-2022, 12:16 PM | #144 | |
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Do you care about the environment? If so sell all your cars and ride a bicycle. I got my model 3 because I love the way it drives. I don’t care about the politics surrounding it. I think EV is a great idea. So yeah I’ll drive around in my egg shaped car which is the best selling EV on the market next to the model Y. Nothing comes close to it when you compare price point, performance, usability, charging network and range all in one.
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this is being done in fact to the detriment and cost to the people ,meanwhile it will make dictatorships like china more powerful and wealthy, the cherry on top is those dictatorships dont even have to follow the same carbon and green 'targets' that these cucked countries in NA and Europe have to that is what these pole smoking politicians never mention and just because some (fake) news outlet writes an article or make a video repeating the same thing over and over , about the 'inevitable' move to EV, people think its a forgone conclusion! they trying to turn us into those people living in demolition man , I'll say hellllll no |
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09-20-2022, 07:39 PM | #150 |
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Yeah, correct. Nickel Manganese Cobalt Li-Ion is a common high power density battery chemistry. NMC is being being phased out, but currently the DRC dominates all other producers of cobalt. It's also not especially rare. The electronics industry has been wary of central Africa for 2 decades now after the bloodshed over coltan / tantalum.
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EVs are not the automotive "future", they are part of the future.
Putting all your brown eggs in one basket and throwing out the existing white eggs makes absolutely no sense and government officials that have implemented these EV mandates will learn that it is just not feasible or realistic for the general public to only have EVs. Like others noted, the cost of long-term ownership of an EV is potentially immense. Low and medium income households that will be forced to drive 10+ y/o EVs because of a new or lightly used EV cost cannot afford a five figure battery replacement or motor replacement repair that will likely come about at the 8-10 year mark. And that too is the biggest maintenance issue with EVs, the power source and motor aren't really serviceable. That's a big problem. In addition to EVs, the future needs to be improved ICE efficiency (not necessarily more power; basic cars are getting plenty powerful now), more efficient gas/electric hybrid drivetrains, and alternate fuels for ICE motors like hydrogen cell, etc. There is plenty of technology out there now to to improve ICE efficiency. It terms of emissions, ICE motors are extremely clean now. The real efficiency focus needs to be on light trucks and SUVs. They have escaped efficiency focus for too long now. And yeah, as someone pointed out, lithium and other battery element mining is a total environmental disaster. I'm an environmental consultant with almost 25 years of professional environmental investigation, remediation, litigation, and compliance experience for all types of sites across the globe. The way these materials are mined and solutioned out is environmentally damaging, water and energy intenisive, and downright dangerous from a human exposure consideration. I promise you that you'd not want to live within 20 miles of one of these mines. Reduce, reuse, recycle, and improve efficiency need to be the focus and not just "let's end ICE motors". And finally, to hell with LA and their stronghold on Federal air emissions regulations. It's their damn fault for overdeveloping a low-land desert area smack dab between mountain ranges on all sides that hold in air contaminates. The rest of us should not have to pay for their problems.
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09-22-2022, 06:04 AM | #154 | |
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Then my answer is imidietly then why didn't you do it before if you can suddenly now? Its not like suddenly that specific tech became available, to make them super efficient and 0 local emissions. Again as anything when it comes to companies that grows to large like the automotive industry that has been paying off politicians for so long to not put in any legislation on them because there was far more money to make off people releasing a "new" engine every year that is a little better then the last. And now suddenly we are seeing ICE evangelists crying about "We can make the ICE engine super efficient", and to that i say well you had your chance and you didn't take it when you had and now your out and let the new tech take your place, but also thinking EVs is the solution to all our problems then you are just kidding your self, they are a part of the solution but not the end game. There is so much more to be done in this aspect that hasn't been done but can be done because someone is paying of someone to not legislate. In a perfect world the governments of the world would be this super incorruptible human beings, but alas thats not the world we are living in. We humans would benefit far more if we could get our shizzle together and make Fusion energy a real thing imidietly but as the long running joke goes its always 50 years away and in 50 years again lets hope it will be a 40 year away joke instead. But as of now our fossils fuels needs to be used for better purpose then being used to propel our vehicles no matter it be a car or an air plane the oil needs to be put to better use then for people to giggle every time their car makes pops and bangs out of the exhaust when driving it. Therefore ICE vehicles needs to be put to the past so we can use fossils fuels for better usage then this. We can develop some better tech and gives them as much fun as ICE cars but without harming the environment all to much. So in that EVs are not the solution for all but a part of it. But being a human being is harming the environment, but if we can reduce our damaging footprint on it whether it be by switching away from fossil fuels to recycling more of our old stuff the better, we just need to make sure it pays more to recycle and innovate then to keep going down the same path as always and not changing.
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