Future BMW model information (Response Archive)

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by cbertels

Put that M badge on everything!

People can't even laugh at putting them on non M cars because BMW is now worse than those people. Lol

Exactly!!!! I'm gonna take it off the F80 so it's just a "3"

:Lol:

[antzcrashing]

I think what you meant to say is, M8 is out, tough luck enthusiasts

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

I think what you meant to say is, M8 is out, tough luck enthusiasts

No.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Still, it's consistent, just in a different way: the top non-full-M is M Performance.

Sure, that's a fair point. Although they'd not only need to name the N63-powered X5 the M50i, but the N63-powered X7 as well.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

:Lol:

It still happens ... everyday and worldwide. Worth 3bhp they say ( if placed correctly ). In this case, it is worth 6bhp for two M items.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Hmm. I actually don't like this. The reason is, I somewhat disagree that it is consistent. Here's why:

1/2 - CLAR M35i, UKL M40i (special case for the coupe/convertible)
3/4 - M40i
5/6 - M50i
7/8 - M60i

To me that would be consistent. No N74-powered 8 Series? That just means there's no M Performance model. No S63-powered 7 Series? So, no M model.

Still hoping that they call the N63-powered G05 X5 the M50i instead of the 50i.

I should add, if/when the V12 is nixed from the 7, and they make the N63-powered 750i the M750i, that would at least clean things up. But I am not anticipating that to happen this generation, or even next. The V12 will survive as long as those who buy it keep demanding it; and I expect they will until the bitter end. That all being said, I recall that Audi has already confirmed that this is the last generation for their A8 W12 (article here http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...ng-big-engines, not quite confirmation, but the intention is there anyway).

It does seem odd the V12 being in an M performance vehicle.

I know it'll never happen, but the V8 should be on the M850i and the M8 would be best having the V12 in the middle of it and dropping the rear seats and whatever excess weight BMW are busy adding to it.

[Gabrola]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Regular readers will remember that I first reported about a weird 1.6L version of B48 a couple of years ago and couldn't figure out what or why or when. Now we have the answer: it will be used in some models with 20i designation and will produce only 170hp. It will go into G20, G01, and later other models. Right now it seems that this engine is targeted primarily or exclusively at 3rd world markets.

The 1.6L version of the B48 (B48B16A) is already in use in the G30 520i sold in countries with high import tariffs such as Turkey and Egypt.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Gabrola

The 1.6L version of the B48 (B48B16A) is already in use in the G30 520i sold in countries with high import tariffs such as Turkey and Egypt.

I still don’t understand why they don’t just use the 1.5L B38. It should be able to make 170hp without any trouble at all. I mean it’s only down a tenth of a liter compared to the smaller displacement B48.

[V-Eight]

Because it's a 4 pot. A 3 pot should be seen as "poor" for a 520i, even if it's currently in use in the I8

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by V-Eight

Because it's a 4 pot. A 3 pot should be seen as "poor" for a 520i, even if it's currently in use in the I8

I suppose, but I strongly doubt the B38 will be kept out of the *20i forever. At some point, it no longer makes sense to use a turbocharged four cylinder gasoline engine in a vehicle with less than 200hp when you have a three cylinder engine that could do it instead. Just like today you don't see turbocharged six cylinder gasoline engines in vehicles with less than 300hp anymore.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I still don’t understand why they don’t just use the 1.5L B38. It should be able to make 170hp without any trouble at all. I mean it’s only down a tenth of a liter compared to the smaller displacement B48.

I saw some video of 318i with B38 it seem like to have quite a lot of turbo lag maybe not the best choice for an heavy 520i. A 4cyl also has less vibration.

[Gabrola]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I still don’t understand why they don’t just use the 1.5L B38. It should be able to make 170hp without any trouble at all. I mean it’s only down a tenth of a liter compared to the smaller displacement B48.

I've wondered the same thing! The B38 is clearly capable of 200hp+ in the i8, albeit with some forged components. Also, since they are using a 1.6L 4-pot engine, why did they limit it at 170hp? Why not 184hp using the same high-boost low-compression ratio setup in the 2.0L 30i models, especially since the 1.6L engine's compression ratio is already low at 9.0:1 as indicated on bmw.com.tr. The 2.0L 30i engine makes 124hp/liter so it should be able to make 184hp comfortably with 1.6L.

[AKRAPOVICOWNS]

Wheres the X6?

[Salty B.]

Any further info about 6MT availability on the G20 M340i? Or do I hang on to the one below forever?

Today I was informed that it has a bad 2nd-gear synchro, and I'm getting a new trans and clutch. But it's only got 22,000mi and the warranty expires next May, so I'm not exactly sanguine about its long-term reliability. Still love the car, though.

[BimmerMat135]

Any news about the 30d/40d for the North American market? Is bmw afraid of another dieselgate.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Flying Badger

Any further info about 6MT availability on the G20 M340i? Or do I hang on to the one below forever?

Have you seen the recent thread that was featured on the front page?

http://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1442627

It doesn’t seem to leave much hope for the manual to make an appearance. If that outlook changes, expect it to hit the front page quickly.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

Wheres the X6?

I hate X6 with a passion and see no reason to discuss it separately from X5, other than publishing SOP/EOP dates.

[AKRAPOVICOWNS]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

I hate X6 with a passion and see no reason to discuss it separately from X5, other than publishing SOP/EOP dates.

Well, I respect that. I ask because there's no SOP for the G06. So it's the same as the G05 or they have discontinued it?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by AKRAPOVICOWNS

Well, I respect that. I ask because there's no SOP for the G06. So it's the same as the G05 or they have discontinued it?

The EOP schedule in the first post shows the F16 X6 ending production 7/19. The G06 X6 should therefore start 8/19 assuming there is no hiatus planned and assuming they haven't decided to go another direction (such as X8, just for example). Indeed, we ought to see mules soon for a release supposedly coming in less than two years.

[squeaky]

When is the i3 EOP? And, is there an i8S coming, or do we just get the LCI?

[Franklin24]

I love BMW G20

[mkoesel]

Not strictly BMW-brand news, but ynguldyn has mentioned a number of times in his posts (including the OP in the past) that MINI is adding DCT transmissions. This has also been confirmed in media reports throughout this past year. I saw this article today:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...h-transmission

Asserting that March 2018 is the date for international availability (no US date mentioned). But that aside, the article contains a claim that surprises me: the DCT and Auto will be offered side-by-side. I thought the point of the move to DCT was greater efficiency. If what the article says is true, I wonder if they are concerned that some buyers will be turned off by the sometimes-jerky low speed characteristics of the DCT. In any case, I can't help but wonder if this is just a transition plan or a longer term situation.