Nürburgring aka 'Green Hell' (visiting) advice and footage

[fs1977]

It has been 8 years since a last drove a lap. It has become way to crowded and risks got way higher. Just wasn't worth it to me anymore.

Untill recently, on an early Sundaymorning. No waiting times and not to many cars on the parking. Just like 10/15 years ago. Went for it and really enjoyed the lap!

[M5Rick]

Obviously it's on every mans mind to avoid a collision when driving on the 'Ring and this vid shows that even expert Misha Charoudin has to use all his prowess to avoid collisions from other less attentive drivers while driving 'Ring customers own cars. His own collision into the armco in a GT186 at 12:00 was probably due to suspension or component failure rather than from him.

[M5Rick]

Have to put on Part 2 also...as if I wouldn't, ha !
Misha adds that oil spills and vehicle debris on the track are an added risk that needs a sharp eye as well as concentrating on your track position and what's around you obviously meaning this is no walk in the park for anybody wanting a quick lap.

[kevinm03]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Obviously it's on every mans mind to avoid a collision when driving on the 'Ring and this vid shows that even expert Misha Charoudin has to use all his prowess to avoid collisions from other less attentive drivers while driving 'Ring customers own cars. His own collision into the armco in a GT186 at 12:00 was probably due to suspension or component failure rather than from him.

The suspension failure theory has long been debunked. It was driver error, he ran wide...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by kevinm03

The suspension failure theory has long been debunked. It was driver error, he ran wide...

By who, you?

[fs1977]

I think there are a lot of people fed up with "ring king" Misha.

To be honest, I've always watched his video's in the past and liked them very much. But his tone and attitude have changed over the years and not in a favourable way in my opinion. But hey, to each their own.

[M5Rick]

One of the biggest risks are inattentive drivers and the King of the 'Ring gives the bag of brown stuff to someone for that

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by fs1977

I think there are a lot of people fed up with "ring king" Misha.

To be honest, I've always watched his video's in the past and liked them very much. But his tone and attitude have changed over the years and not in a favourable way in my opinion. But hey, to each their own.

That's probably from dealing with all the inattentive drivers
You're welcome to put your own vids on, have you been to the 'Ring yourself..

[M5Rick]

The Poles know what to do with E36 M3's and this one lavished with carbon and mods tears up the 'Ring, you know who drives it

1150 kg with fuel weight.

[kevinm03]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

By who, you?

No, locals and people who know what they are talking about. For my own part, I did not see a single shred of evidence to support the claim of suspension failure. Surely he would have publicised a mechanical failure to redeem his reputation???

[kevinm03]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's probably from dealing with all the inattentive drivers
You're welcome to put your own vids on, have you been to the 'Ring yourself..

He posted pictures of himself from racetracker....what more proof do you need???

You have an opinion on every video you link....how about posting some evidence of you being there?

Videos take effort to record, edit and upload. Most people arent interested in recording videos, I rarely do.

[kevinm03]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The Poles know what to do with E36 M3's and this one lavished with carbon and mods tears up the 'Ring, you know who drives it

1150 kg with fuel weight.

1150kg wet is very impressive. My e92 M3 is 1485kg with half a tank and no driver. I have all stock bodywork though.

Misha has a lot of close calls because he is a wreckless driver. He drives around people like they are race drivers, expecting them to see him, when they are not.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by kevinm03

1150kg wet is very impressive. My e92 M3 is 1485kg with half a tank and no driver. I have all stock bodywork though.

Misha has a lot of close calls because he is a wreckless driver. He drives around people like they are race drivers, expecting them to see him, when they are not.

Come on man hasn't it occurred to you that is what they want !! to be driven at race speeds by an expert, so why else would they be there ???

As far as his collision with barrier goes it wasn't a definite from me that it was suspension or something else, he turned the wheel and nothing happened so I'll put it down to an oil spill he hit, should make sense or you can believe the local hearsay that say this and that.

[M5Rick]

How about an M3 E46 mated with an M5 V10 engine and a DCT, dry sump lube from container in the boot..and if you don't like Misha's accent then that's too bad

Hop on board this unbelievable ride.
Owner: ''The car needed a good driver''
Misha: ''The best car I've driven on here''

[fs1977]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Come on man hasn't it occurred to you that is what they want !! to be driven at race speeds by an expert, so why else would they be there ???

That's exactly the attitude that ruins TF nowadays and why it has lost it's magic. Too focused on race speeds and fastest laps without taking other traffic into account. Like 15 years ago when I was there more often, there was a lot more respect for each other no matter at what speeds you did your laps. A more loose and easy going atmosphere also.

It's still fun to be there, but less fun to drive laps because of all the drama. So I try to do my laps when it's reasonably quiet if I do any at all.

[helmet91]

I try to only head down in April and September or later. Even then I like to stick to weekdays or first runs on the weekend. It’s gotten way too crowded and full of Instamorons.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by fs1977

That's exactly the attitude that ruins TF nowadays and why it has lost it's magic. Too focused on race speeds and fastest laps without taking other traffic into account. Like 15 years ago when I was there more often, there was a lot more respect for each other no matter at what speeds you did your laps. A more loose and easy going atmosphere also.

It's still fun to be there, but less fun to drive laps because of all the drama. So I try to do my laps when it's reasonably quiet if I do any at all.

You have to expect that with more people coming to the track so if you want to do your own thing for sure get in early like any German would to get their towel onto the deck chair to beat the later risers.

[M5Rick]

Here's one with Misha NOT driving showing what this amazing woman can do in her well prepped VW.

This with ABS not working in the car.

[kevinm03]

Originally Posted by fs1977

That's exactly the attitude that ruins TF nowadays and why it has lost it's magic. Too focused on race speeds and fastest laps without taking other traffic into account. Like 15 years ago when I was there more often, there was a lot more respect for each other no matter at what speeds you did your laps. A more loose and easy going atmosphere also.

It's still fun to be there, but less fun to drive laps because of all the drama. So I try to do my laps when it's reasonably quiet if I do any at all.

Ignore him, he's a keyboard Nurburgring expert...

I agree with you on all points btw. I'm doing more trackdays and less TF this year.

[M5Rick]

Handicapped people are welcome to drive on the 'Ring and this guy in an M2 demonstrates his driving skills.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by kevinm03

Ignore him, he's a keyboard Nurburgring expert...

I agree with you on all points btw. I'm doing more trackdays and less TF this year.

In that case I'll ignore you then, even Stevens mate.

[M5Rick]

Quicker than a Porsche GT3 RS? This big guy gives it a go in his KTM GT2 kitted with an Audi RS3 engine.

1050 kg with 700 bhp and 102 RON fuel.