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240 hp 2.0L or 2.2L that's high revving Regarded to have one of the best manual transmission experience ever Lightweight Great looks Cheap to run Reliable Reasonably priced (not for long) "Street cred" is high Rare enough but not too rare to cause problems with parts Great aftermarket support What more can you ask for a car outside of practicality? Honestly, I would own an S2000 over many other cars. Still, your point still stands about the 370Z. |
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09-10-2020, 06:42 AM | #118 |
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It's a sad time to be alive when you need to question whether or not a sports coupe will get a manual transmission.
The 350/70z never were amazing at any one thing, but the fact that they existed in the first place at least breathed some life into that segment. |
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09-10-2020, 08:21 AM | #119 | |
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And you are not wrong, my non boosted NC Miata was far faster on the track than my 370Z, but then I never owned it long enough to find out consider how much I did not enjoy the drive, nor had it reliable enough to find how fast it can actually be There is one thing they were amazing at, its the amount of people that gawk at mine when I had mine, and aside from wheels and it being lowered was all it had, that car got more looks from passerbys than any of my other cars.
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The new supra has to be one of the biggest disappointments and failures of the 2019, I really hope the Z gets it right, but my overall feelings on Nissan will not change until I see a good product from them. Hopefully they will get back on track for the future.
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Those V6s might do real well in a very lightweight chassis...but no one wants that these days, lots of people say they do, but they want all the creature comforts and a dedicated lightweight car is a very niche market, so economically, it just doesn't make much sense.
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The bar is so low that as long as the new Z looks better than a cobbled together mess and has a manual trans, I believe it will still sell better than the Supra despite the Supra likely having much quicker track times and a better architecture (assuming the new Z is on the same old platform) |
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300+hp, manual, LSD standard and not a pig like the last few Z's and they might have something, otherwise the zupra will still be the #1 option for affordable sport coupes. |
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Using the Q50 as a base for pricing (which is a 300hp TT V6 for $36k) and prices of 370z performance options (which is $4k for LSD and larger brakes) I think they could have a pricing structure like this with both 6mt and auto options across the board: Base: 300hp - $32k Base w/ sport package: 300hp, LSD, big brakes, optional leather - $36k Sport: 400hp - $42k Nismo (delayed release): 500hp - $50k This pricing structure greatly undercuts the Supra even if it doesn't perform as well. |
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That is true, I do think the Supra will remain the better car and a 6mt is icing on the cake. But I do think Nissan will have an upperhand in pricing and appearance which are incredibly important in this demographic (I personally believe appearance is a huge factor in the emotional car buying experience.)
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It would be sad to see the Z finally fall behind to the Supra. From conception the (Celica/)Supra had always been Toyota's response to the Datsun/Nissan Z. The Celica to the 240Z, 260Z, and 280Z. The Celica Supra to the 300ZX. The Supra to the 300ZX. For the 350Z/370Z, Toyota had nothing. Toyota kept teasing a new Supra ... for years and years. Everyone became tired of the teasers and by the time the new Supra came out, a lot of people were disappointed. They expected something like the concept car. On top of it, it isn't really even a Toyota. I think Nissan milked the 350Z and 370Z long enough, but with bringing over the GT-R, Nissan has a switched its halo car from the Z to the GT-R. Give Nissan credit though; they didn't need to co-develop a low-profit margin sports car like the mega-financial corporate that Toyota is. The only true way to tell for sure is to wait until the Z actually comes and see how Toyota responds.
I have faith in Nissan but they were at the verge of bankruptcy even before Ghosn. He didn't leave them in any better shape either, but I do give them credit for updating the Z finally. |
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09-11-2020, 03:52 PM | #132 | |
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But with that being said, the car lacks any sort of design cohesion. There is not a single line (using the artistic definition of the movement of your eye though an object and not a stylized line) that flows from the front to the back of the car. As your eye moves across the body it is constantly broken up by stylized lines and strange lumps. This is the polar opposite of timeless design and will not age well. Vanilla is not a bad thing with the correct proportions, and I would argue simple design and aggressive shape is a good thing. A good example of this is the pre-facelift AMG GT since it is one of the few other cars remaining with such proportions. Even though the design elements are vanilla, the aggressive shape creates a car that looks great despite this and will continue to look great for a long time. |
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