Next M3 / M4 will have both Electric and Combustion Engine models -- says M CEO

[TonM3]

I don't care if it is internal combustion if it does not come in a manual. It may as well be electric.

[bmwdrive]

Originally Posted by f82_enthusiast

They said manual is now or never. New gen will not have a manuals option.

I’m considering a manual M3 for this reason alone before they’re gone. And I’m not even that big of a fan of manuals. But last chance to experience it, at least in a new M3.

[DonutRanger]

Originally Posted by Habs

M this M that…Too many M badges on everything. Keep true “M” cars with ICE and manuals. Slap as many “W” badges as you want on your watts powered smartcars, but leave us petrol heads enjoy what we like and don’t bend over backwards for the WEF globalists. That’s what we are paying you for BMW.

EV’s out perform ICE in every performance metric. And EV’s are currently the worst they will ever be. The future EV M3 will fully deserve the M badge when it comes out and it will only get better

[ShocknAwe]

Wtf is eturbo. Turbos use exhaust gas inertia.

[Dégoûté]

Originally Posted by DonutRanger

EV’s out perform ICE in every performance metric. And EV’s are currently the worst they will ever be. The future EV M3 will fully deserve the M badge when it comes out and it will only get better

Incremental horsepower gains will be replaced with incremental range/battery gains. We stay on the treadmill either way.

[Cartman417209]

Originally Posted by kmarei

" the best-selling M model in 2024 is likely to be the BMW i4 M50."

shocking no?
so not the M340i or even the M440i, heck i even expected the M240i to outsell the i4
i did once drive an M3 and I4 M50 back to back at a BMW event.
and the i4 iM50i impressed me a lot more than the M3

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion even when it’s wrong. In no world is the i4 close to the M3. I drove both and own a new M3
Do you live in Cali or something 😂

[Cartman417209]

For the next M3 keep the S58. Maybe update it alil and throw an electric motor at it to bring it to 650ish stock without increasing weight more than 200lbs

[jackaleyess]

Haha. Down fall of M division. Dont make BMW worse than it alrdy is. Any design post 2024 is worsening and worrying.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by My M3

Interesting time ahead, are saying EV vehicles are not the complete answer? Sure sounds like it.
Look at the new C63 sales, not good

new C63 is not an EV.
i4 M50 is though, and it's the best selling M performance car in the line up.

[AiBiasEdi]

So for the G80, it's the last of the manual transmission??

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by Gfit

Yeah but as we all know it’s not actually an M regardless of how many stickers they put on it.

i can neither confirm nor deny this statement
last time i joked about the 1m having a sticker on the engine, i got a warning from this sites owner

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I would have expected X3 M40i to be honest. I see those everywhere.

a close friend has one of those
sweet sounding exhaust
tried to get one for the wife to replace our F25 X3 xdrive35i, but she said suspension was too firm for her
so we ended up with the base X5 40i, amazing car

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by Cartman417209

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion even when it’s wrong. In no world is the i4 close to the M3. I drove both and own a new M3
Do you live in Cali or something 😂

per BMW USA website
0-60 bmw M3 is 4.1 (that's the one i test drove, the base model)
0-60 bmw m3 comp is 3.8

0-60 i4 M50 is 3.7

car and driver said the 1/4 mile of the m50i was 0.1s slower than M3.
and 0-60 was 0.2s quicker than the M3 comp
so not as "worlds apart" as you may think.

so i guess i agree with you "Everyone’s entitled to their opinion even when it’s wrong"

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by kmarei

per BMW USA website
0-60 bmw M3 is 4.1 (that's the one i test drove, the base model)
0-60 bmw m3 comp is 3.8

0-60 i4 M50 is 3.7

car and driver said the 1/4 mile of the m50i was 0.1s slower than M3.
and 0-60 was 0.2s quicker than the M3 comp
so not as "worlds apart" as you may think.

so i guess i agree with you "Everyone’s entitled to their opinion even when it’s wrong"

try to complete 10-20 laps on any track with I4. most m3 owners that really drive their cars don’t care about straight line numbers and M3 is not designed for drag strip. Other folks that like 0-60 comparos don’t really drive their cars. It’s ok as a data pt and nothing else.

[aymanahk]

I wonder what the successful rate will be for such engines.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by aymanahk

I wonder what the successful rate will be for such engines.

Successful at what?

[aymanahk]

@burrcold engine wise!

[JPRacing715]

I don’t mind the electric motor assist like in the majority of Supercars out there now, just don’t skimp on the main combustible engine and let the electric make up the difference for the power.

[anakha]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Wtf is eturbo. Turbos use exhaust gas inertia.

That’s talking about a turbo with an impeller also driven by an electric motor that can spin up faster and independently of exhaust pressure. Instead of batteries driving motors that drive the wheels, the batteries drive a really high speed motor hooked up to the turbo.

If you’re interested, look up Porsche’s new 911 GTS hybrid technology for what I think is the first mass produced example. Really interesting and smart stuff. Lets you have some benefits of both worlds (the fun and noise of ICE along with some benefits of EV like more or more linear power with a faster turbo spool up with much less lag)

[heavyD^2]

An S58 with eTurbo would be pretty sweet as the only real downside of the engine is that little bit of turbo lag.

[dreamworks]

Originally Posted by anakha

That’s talking about a turbo with an impeller driven by an electric motor that can spin up faster and independently of exhaust pressure. Instead of batteries driving motors that drive the wheels, the batteries drive a really high speed motor hooked up to the turbo.

If you’re interested, look up Porsche’s new 911 GTS hybrid technology for what I think is the first mass produced example. Really interesting and smart stuff. Lets you have some benefits of both worlds (the fun and noise of ICE along with some benefits of EV like more or more linear power with a faster turbo spool up with much less lag)

I believe Volvo introduced a similar tech a few years ago:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...t-test-review/

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by kmarei

per BMW USA website
0-60 bmw M3 is 4.1 (that's the one i test drove, the base model)
0-60 bmw m3 comp is 3.8

0-60 i4 M50 is 3.7

car and driver said the 1/4 mile of the m50i was 0.1s slower than M3.
and 0-60 was 0.2s quicker than the M3 comp
so not as "worlds apart" as you may think.

so i guess i agree with you "Everyone’s entitled to their opinion even when it’s wrong"

You don't buy an M car to drag race at stoplights. My X5 M50 does 0-60 in that same range. There's a ton of modern sports cars that are in the 3s 0-60. You buy an M for handling, chassis control, etc.

That said, the current M3 makes no sense in a manual IMO. At $85k with options, you can get the faster, larger, more comfortable, and cooler CT5V Blackwing for like, virtually nothing more. BMW killed it with the pricing.