F1 2022: Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (Nov 20)

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G99M5

Sainz on deliberate crashes

“But I’m not going to comment, it’s an incident of the past and I’m just going to say that if there would be a rule, it wouldn’t even go through your head.” he said when asked again about the Perez crash.

“I think all 20 drivers in ourselves when we analyse these kind of incidents, we know immediately whether the driver has done it on purpose or not because we are not stupid.

“But you should get a penalty for it. If not, we’re all going to start playing around with it, and I’ve seen over the last few years a lot more playing around with it than what you might even have picked out in the media.”

https://the-race.com/formula-1/delib...u-think-sainz/

Yeah.Just read your article , and Carlito said about (+/-) the same from in my Dutch article .
Interesting ..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by G99M5

Prost did it to Senna too, and iirc Senna returned the favour

Senna/Prost, oh I could write a book about that one. Even when Senna was bump started there in '89 you could see by Prost's demeanour walking back to the shop he had it in the bag with his mate Balestre there.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by G99M5

there was no team order mate

That's because Sainz said "stop inventing"

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G99M5

there was no team order mate

Charlie requested to let him through . The Ferrari team order was : It's too dangerous to lose position .

And that was actually a team order as well . But the other way around..

[minn19]

Originally Posted by G99M5

there was no team order mate

This, one was a team order and one was a driver request.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G99M5

when/where did Charles do this? my memory is blank. all i can recall is he crashes a lot ...

Mate . Let's refresh your memory

Drive2Survive : Please 5 minutes of silence , “Are you okay Charles?”, no response for 5 more minutes...

“That's a P1 Charles” !!! Hell yeah !!!

[G30M]

eh i can do that crash. just drive straight

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G99M5

eh i can do that crash. just drive straight

Sure . Brad is making a F1 movie of it !

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah.Just read your article , and Carlito said about (+/-) the same from in my Dutch article .
Interesting ..

All F1 drivers are so deep into their profession that they can tell in one instant if it was deliberate or not.
All they do all day long is looking at telemetry where throttle, brake and steering resoponse differs from them to the competition.
They know within 1/10 or even 1/100 at every corner if their steering, braking and throttle was up to par or sub par. It's that close.
So if we can see it, they can smell it.


As far as FP2 went, it's still looking good for LEC compared to PER, although LEC complained about the ferrari speed.
I hope LEC finishes above PER. Just because he's been the better driver this year. Where LEC was mainly hampered by failing ferrari strategy and pitstop performance, PER was hampered by his own sub par driving compared to VER (esp mid season where VER was flying, PER was often trailing far behind).
I don't think LEC is up to VER levels, as he also made more drivers errors this year than Max imho, but his driving sure has been better than PER imho, so that would make him a deserved runner up.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Sure . Brad is making a F1 movie of it !

i'm expecting his call any moment now

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

All F1 drivers are so deep into their profession that they can tell in one instant if it was deliberate or not.
All they do all day long is looking at telemetry where throttle, brake and steering resoponse differs from them to the competition.
They know within 1/10 or even 1/100 at every corner if their steering, braking and throttle was up to par or sub par. It's that close.
So if we can see it, they can smell it.


As far as FP2 went, it's still looking good for LEC compared to PER, although LEC complained about the ferrari speed.
I hope LEC finishes above PER. Just because he's been the better driver this year. Where LEC was mainly hampered by failing ferrari strategy and pitstop performance, PER was hampered by his own sub par driving compared to VER (esp mid season where VER was flying, PER was often trailing far behind).
I don't think LEC is up to VER levels, as he also made more drivers errors this year than Max imho, but his driving sure has been better than PER imho, so that would make him a deserved runner up.

Yeah . I know . And all the hours they spent in the sim before the race , the sim's data is extremely acurrate .

I agree . Charlie is faster than Checo . Too bad that Ferrari screwed his whole season with Italian clowns strategy .
But he would have lost it from MAX anyway . Charlie still makes too many mistakes under pressure .
But Charlie crashed more than Checo .

I really hope that Ferrari can beat Mercedes

MAX's shot was very clear today . If he is fast in the free practice , then usually he's oustanding in the race .
But I'm pretty sure , today Mercedes didn't showed everything ...

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I really hope that Ferrari can beat Mercedes

Maybe but do they deserve to?
For sure Ferrari had the better car, certainly the first 3/4 of the season, but as far as strategy, pit stop performance and stupid mistakes, MERC performed better than Ferrari (pretty much everyone did).
Ferrari as a team during race weekends performed aweful pretty much all year on multiple aspects, so in that regard they don't deserve to finish 2nd.
They are there because they have a good car.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by G99M5

i'm expecting his call any moment now

I meant a movie scene from Charlie's intentional crash at Monaco

But at COTA , Brad was there and to me he looked a bit lost without Brangelina.
I heard he's now a lucky man without that crazy b1tch

Brad at COTA

[minn19]

If Charles intentionally crashed at Monaco the last laugh was obviously on him. I’d be pretty surprised he chose that spot and way to do it.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

All the 20 drivers knew it at that moment , this wasn't the first time and it won't be the last..

I heard the FIA is working on a new 2023 regulation to avoid such a situations in the Qualifying .
Actually It's abusing the situation . Charlie knows also how it works !

It would be extremely difficult even for Fia to prove a deliberate fender bender.. Schumi's was so obvious with no damage... he didn't want race car repaired with a wall contact.
When a crash occurs at an 'obvious what he did' moment stopping the quali at a crucial moment and even if telemetry showing a wrong steering/throttle/brake input it comes down to driver error in the heat of the moment.
Charlie's one is debatable in that he lost control after losing a track rod with armco contact and causing too much damage to gearbox with the resulting side impact after his journey into the wall was hastened by going over the kerb, something he didn't take into account if he was 'planning' something.
He could have just used a simpler method with much less damage not to compromise his race start.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Maybe but do they deserve to?
For sure Ferrari had the better car, certainly the first 3/4 of the season, but as far as strategy, pit stop performance and stupid mistakes, MERC performed better than Ferrari (pretty much everyone did).
Ferrari as a team during race weekends performed aweful pretty much all year on multiple aspects, so in that regard they don't deserve to finish 2nd.
They are there because they have a good car.

With what Merc has got away with up to now on and off the track I would choose Ferrari every time even for their track inconsistencies to finish second in the constructors.

[M5Rick]

I'm a big fan of Brad so had to put this clip of him in a Ferrari Roma? with Charlie.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

With what Merc has got away with up to now on and off the track I would choose Ferrari every time even for their track inconsistencies to finish second in the constructors.

Ham was overtaking under red flag !

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I really hope that Ferrari can beat Mercedes

Not me, I'd rather get 3rd and have the extra development time that goes with it.

[Fliplegend]

Christian talking about "We live in a cost cap world" you mean the one you don't live in? What a clown.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Not me, I'd rather get 3rd and have the extra development time that goes with it.

Listen my friend ...
I see your Love&Hate relation with Ferrari .

IMHO. The 2022 Ferrari was actually 'the WDC winning car .
As you/we know ,they have made so many (typical) Italian clown strategy mistakes .
The Ferrari car was outstanding and it looked so damn beautiful as well...
They were like "untouchable" in the qualifying !

Too bad for Charlie , in the beginning of this season even MAX said we can't beat the Ferrari .
But Charlie Isn't MAX . Under pressure Charlie lost it more than once !
And there was that "unreliable" Ferrari PU who was pushed beyond the limits , they got DNF's . Sainz PU caught fire in Austria , ect...
But MAX got 2 DNF's as well !
Then came MAX and he was a beast in the RB18 , he took the non-stop victories and was scoring the precious WDC points .
The WDC was already for MAX and Red Bull took the constructors World Title in Japan !

From at Silverstone , Charlie Isn't speaking anymore with Bino .
This is one of the reasons things went even worse for the Ferrari team .
In other words : "Ferrari threw it away" !

We all know Shaila-Ann Rao ,and her multiple technical information leaks to make the Mercedes faster by using corruption .
Of course the secret information was very welcome at the Mercedes team , that's why they show up in the front again in the last 3 races .

And that's why I would love to see Ferrari finish in front of Mercedes .

[///M Power-Belgium]

MAX looks very fast in QF 1 with his P1 in 1:24.754 .

Red Bull got set-up issues in Brazil .

So , the double World Champ is back

#UnLeashThe1Lion !!!