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[GenXer]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Publishing date:Sep 18, 2020 •

A 20-year-old British Columbia man faces several charges after Alberta Mounties received complaints about a self-driving Telsa speeding while the occupants were taking a nap.

https://nationalpost.com/news/crime/...-b5d0727e44b6/

Tesla occupants slept on reclined seats as car self-drove at 140 km/h through Alberta: RCMP
The autopilot feature allows for the car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane but still requires the driver to be paying attention

On July 9, Alberta RCMP pulled over a 2019 Tesla Model S on Highway 2 near Ponoka, that was travelling at speeds up to 150 km/h and appeared to be self-driving with both seats reclined and two people inside the car sleeping.

Ponoka RCMP said in a Thursday news release police received a call about a 2019 Tesla Model S travelling at more than 140 km/h south on Highway 2 near the town around 4 p.m. on July 9. Police said the car appeared to be self-driving with both front seats reclined all the way back and the driver and passenger were asleep.

Police said when an officer turned on the cruiser’s emergency lights, the Tesla accelerated to 150 km/h.

When police received the complaint about the speeding car it initiallyappeared to be driving itself with no one inside.

“Sure enough, a short time later the Tesla goes by. The officer was sitting in the centre median and he too was like, ‘Noooo,”‘ said RCMP Sgt. Darrin Turnbull. “He couldn’t see anybody in the vehicle.

“He gets up closer to the vehicle and hits the siren, and it’s at that point he can see the driver pop up and pull over,” Turnbull said.

“We can’t say whether he was sleeping or not, or whether he was just reclined back.”

After being pulled over, the driver was charged with speeding and handed a 24-hour licence suspension for fatigue. He was later charged with dangerous driving.

“Although manufacturers of new vehicles have built-in safeguards to prevent drivers from taking advantage of the new safety systems in vehicles, those systems are just that supplemental safety systems,” RCMP traffic services Supt. Gary Graham said in the release. “They are not self-driving systems, they still come with the responsibility of driving.”

The driver is scheduled to appear in court in December.

According to Tesla’s website, the autopilot feature allows for the car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane but still requires the driver to be paying attention.

Autonomous cars are in their early stages in much of Canada, with Ontario and Quebec approving pilot projects as long as a vigilant driver is present to take control of the vehicle when needed.

There have not been any reported self-driving car crashes in Canada, but several have been reported in the U.S.

“It’s definitely a new thing, which unfortunately we might see more often,” said Turnbull.

Ponoka is more than 100 kilometres south of Edmonton.

— With files from The Canadian Press

A 20 year old owning a 2019 Tesla Model S?
Was he suffering from AFFLUENZA?

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Murf993

A 20-year-old British Columbia man faces several charges after Alberta Mounties received complaints about a self-driving Telsa speeding while the occupants were taking a nap

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Timurasgmq

Where is moderator??
It is important.
Thanks.

Try the politics section.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Hey, soooo, here's something interesting about BMW:

Last night while researching the X5 45e (possibly BMW's best vehicle right now, certainly the best value) I discovered that BMW seems to be converting *all* 2021+ x40i vehicles to "mild hybrid", i.e., all 2021+ sedans w/ six cylinder ICE will get an inline 11 HP e-motor with 48v battery

Like every line EXCEPT the Ms (obvs), and X-line which apparently requires a re-design thus the X5 45e (basically an X5 40i w/ inline 6cyl+111hp e-motor)

So it's looking more and more like BMW is quietly going hybrid-electric with their best sellers to condition consumers to electric, while loudly introducing halo all electrics, with the X5 45e being a quietly announced PHEV in-between: it's not an i-line, but more electric than their mild hybrids, and plug-in.

Said differently, the new standard BMW drivetrain is electric hybrid.

Weird, huh? Did everybody know about this except me? Am I interpreting this wrong??

bmw has agreed to target cuts in carbon emissions in europe. If ot doesn't attain this it pays heavy fines. The mild hybrid just helps with that trickery. Financial decisions from bmw to satisfy regs and for customers to pay low tax.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

bmw has agreed to target cuts in carbon emissions in europe. If ot doesn't attain this it pays heavy fines. The mild hybrid just helps with that trickery. Financial decisions from bmw to satisfy regs and for customers to pay low tax.

yeah, and so has everyone else!

Here are the engine choices for the Range Rover Sport (the best off-road SUV you can buy) which include BOTH an MHEV and PHEV!



Just kinda bizarre to see electric tech slowly but surely invading every line of every manufacturer.

The choice isn't going to be BEV vs ICE:
It'll be a spectrum of options, migrating into full BEV by decade's end or earlier.

[ynguldyn]

Oh hi y'all, I've been wondering where everyone went.

So, I'm looking at the brand new posts and thinking that it's all pretty shallow. Looking at valuations, legacy car manufacturers, tax breaks.

Watch the drone videos Tesla fanboys are making of the construction in Shanghai, Berlin and Austin. Look at the facilities a month ago, then a week later, then a week later etc. This is not normal.

Yeah, panel gaps. Whatever.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

The choice isn't going to be BEV vs ICE:
It'll be a spectrum of options

thats so correct

[GrussGott]

Things like this will likely delay transitions somewhat - the consumer tipping will begin when the next "it" road/track car is electric

[GrussGott]

... but things like this will help speed the transition

[wcr3d]

Anyone seen the new convertible?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/5/2...-quality-issue

[jmg]

Originally Posted by wcr3d

Anyone seen the new convertible?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/5/2...-quality-issue

That's not a defect that's a feature. Your welcome.

[smyles]

People will do anything for clicks these days...

[wcr3d]

Originally Posted by jmg

That's not a defect that's a feature. Your welcome.

I didn’t say it was a defect, nor feature and it’s you’re welcome!

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

thats so correct

Ya, I'm not so sure. New cars markets needs a used car market and hybrid vehicles are already becoming too complex for the shade tree mechanic. Never mind that automakers (cough, cough Tesla, BMW) are fighting over the "right to repair". As a result I fully expect an acceleration towards disposal of subscription BEV just because the second/third owner can't repair them.

[GrussGott]

Well this is creepy as fuck

In response to zero-intervention autopilot:

[HereForever]

Originally Posted by Murf993

Publishing date:Sep 18, 2020 •

A 20-year-old British Columbia man faces several charges after Alberta Mounties received complaints about a self-driving Telsa speeding while the occupants were taking a nap.

https://nationalpost.com/news/crime/...-b5d0727e44b6/

Tesla occupants slept on reclined seats as car self-drove at 140 km/h through Alberta: RCMP
The autopilot feature allows for the car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane but still requires the driver to be paying attention

On July 9, Alberta RCMP pulled over a 2019 Tesla Model S on Highway 2 near Ponoka, that was travelling at speeds up to 150 km/h and appeared to be self-driving with both seats reclined and two people inside the car sleeping.

Ponoka RCMP said in a Thursday news release police received a call about a 2019 Tesla Model S travelling at more than 140 km/h south on Highway 2 near the town around 4 p.m. on July 9. Police said the car appeared to be self-driving with both front seats reclined all the way back and the driver and passenger were asleep.

Police said when an officer turned on the cruiser’s emergency lights, the Tesla accelerated to 150 km/h.

When police received the complaint about the speeding car it initiallyappeared to be driving itself with no one inside.

“Sure enough, a short time later the Tesla goes by. The officer was sitting in the centre median and he too was like, ‘Noooo,”‘ said RCMP Sgt. Darrin Turnbull. “He couldn’t see anybody in the vehicle.

“He gets up closer to the vehicle and hits the siren, and it’s at that point he can see the driver pop up and pull over,” Turnbull said.

“We can’t say whether he was sleeping or not, or whether he was just reclined back.”

After being pulled over, the driver was charged with speeding and handed a 24-hour licence suspension for fatigue. He was later charged with dangerous driving.

“Although manufacturers of new vehicles have built-in safeguards to prevent drivers from taking advantage of the new safety systems in vehicles, those systems are just that supplemental safety systems,” RCMP traffic services Supt. Gary Graham said in the release. “They are not self-driving systems, they still come with the responsibility of driving.”

The driver is scheduled to appear in court in December.

According to Tesla’s website, the autopilot feature allows for the car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane but still requires the driver to be paying attention.

Autonomous cars are in their early stages in much of Canada, with Ontario and Quebec approving pilot projects as long as a vigilant driver is present to take control of the vehicle when needed.

There have not been any reported self-driving car crashes in Canada, but several have been reported in the U.S.
This is exactly the reason to use services like realcar.nyc/rent-a-porsche-cayenne car rent etc.

“It’s definitely a new thing, which unfortunately we might see more often,” said Turnbull.

Ponoka is more than 100 kilometres south of Edmonton.

— With files from The Canadian Press

Poor dude just had to wait till Tesla releases a model that does not requite you to pay attention to the road while its driving itself.

[KRS_SN]

https://electrek.co/2020/10/16/tesla...return-policy/

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

https://electrek.co/2020/10/16/tesla...return-policy/

Tesla also chopped it's 4 year used car warranty to 1 year - they're turning into an actual autos company!

[KRS_SN]

https://insideevs.com/news/450511/te...ension-issues/

riding inside my mates 3 years old model s is like sitting inside a rickety old box. most noise coming from the rear.

[P1]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

https://insideevs.com/news/450511/te...ension-issues/

riding inside my mates 3 years old model s is like sitting inside a rickety old box. most noise coming from the rear.

I think it’s universally understood build quality is lackluster. But the fanbois don’t care, so it’s all good.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

https://insideevs.com/news/450511/te...ension-issues/

riding inside my mates 3 years old model s is like sitting inside a rickety old box. most noise coming from the rear.

Originally Posted by P1

I think it’s universally understood build quality is lackluster. But the fanbois don’t care, so it’s all good.

While there is definitely tesla fanbois who will praise the company no matter what they do I also feel there are plenty of haters who will hate on the company no matter what they do.

When I got my model 3 (used 2018) I was totally expecting a complete disaster. I had 7 days to return it and was bored during lockdowns so said fuck it lets see. I was surprised just how.... normal... it was. Nothing blatantly obvious with build quality, all the materials seemed like nice quality, there isn't much in the interior, but the materials that are there are on par or better quality than your average 3 series. I personally find the white pleather really nice, better than the pleather BMW was putting in their cars when I had my 1 series. That shit was like rubber.

My car has no rattles and everything feels nice and tight. That being said I don't think I have ever had a car (including BMWs) that didn't have a rattle, somewhere at some point. Now if you are anal retentive I'm sure you will notice some of the body panel gaps are larger than they should, some are not 100% even, but nothing any normal person would notice.

Plus Tesla has been doing this for what... like 12 years? How long have the other manufacturers been at this... a century? Now if you want to talk about Tesla service or their buying experience or their software policies.... then I'm all in favor of calling them out on that!

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

While there is definitely tesla fanbois who will praise the company no matter what they do I also feel there are plenty of haters who will hate on the company no matter what they do.

When I got my model 3 (used 2018) I was totally expecting a complete disaster. I had 7 days to return it and was bored during lockdowns so said fuck it lets see. I was surprised just how.... normal... it was. Nothing blatantly obvious with build quality, all the materials seemed like nice quality, there isn't much in the interior, but the materials that are there are on par or better quality than your average 3 series. I personally find the white pleather really nice, better than the pleather BMW was putting in their cars when I had my 1 series. That shit was like rubber.

My car has no rattles and everything feels nice and tight. That being said I don't think I have ever had a car (including BMWs) that didn't have a rattle, somewhere at some point. Now if you are anal retentive I'm sure you will notice some of the body panel gaps are larger than they should, some are not 100% even, but nothing any normal person would notice.

Plus Tesla has been doing this for what... like 12 years? How long have the other manufacturers been at this... a century? Now if you want to talk about Tesla service or their buying experience or their software policies.... then I'm all in favor of calling them out on that!

Good for you for the price they charge it better be rattle free for you.
my mates model s was £79000. sitting inside it was no different from vauxhall and citroen taxis bar the vegan leather and acceleration.
For similar money one could do so much better...