Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[ASAP]

So did anyone else see this expected fail? lol

https://jalopnik.com/the-inflation-r...t-r-1849914011

[RM7]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Yeah, I read years ago that Thorium reactors are the way to go.

There are significant materials challenges with some of these ideas. The concepts are great, but the metallurgical precision and alloys get extreme real fast. Some of these have real bad corrosion issues, so you get a bunch of new challenges cropping up by solving one part of the system. There have been some near misses just due to this, flaws in critical reactor structure. Not that these pursuits aren't worth it, just that they get to be extraordinarily costly and regulated, because that's just the inherent nature. Like how aviation is heavily regulated, but to an even higher degree, due to the implications and risk exposure.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Nuclear sucks; too expensive! Like propellers and solar panels will power the world. LOL.

Exactly, the environmentalists want to get off of fossil fuels and hate nuclear but have no viable method to replace either.

[Murf the Surf]

So there has been lots of discussions about the requirement to increase output and grid capacity to accommodate the switch to EV's and home heating, there is also the need for increased mining capacity to build the batteries.

[M5Rick]

It's chaos in the UK gov also, they don't know what they're talking about thinking waving a magic wand will bring in carbon neutral by 2030 in some places.

[Alfisti]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-...ents/101795368

[M5VanHalen]

[QUOTE=Murf the Surf;29660457]So there has been lots of discussions about the requirement to increase output and grid capacity to accommodate the switch to EV's and home heating, there is also the need for increased mining capacity to build the batteries.

If you know anything about the US electric grid, you know there is NO way that it will be able to support going all EV's by 2035. One major issue not addressed enough is that even if we have enough ways to generate enough electricity, we do NOT have anywhere near enough transmission lines to send the electricity where it is needed. Generating the electricity is simple; sending it around the country is hard. That is because time and time again, local communities go to court to stop the building of any new transmission towers. Also, nobody wants to have their land ripped up to bury transmission lines. NIMBYism will stop the ability to locate enough transmission towers and electric stations to allow for wide scale deployment. Until the next multi billionaire invents a way to transmit electricity WITHOUT wires, our electric grid will fail us.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-...ents/101795368

Can you imagine trying to get that done in Toronto? A nightmare.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-...ents/101795368

Well I can't imagine buying an EV without a place to charge where I live and then just hoping I could figure it out.

That's what children do. Act on impulse without thinking things through.

[Alfisti]

Alllllllrighty peeps. Looks like canada is going to mandate 20pc of new vehicle sales must be able to run on electricity by 2026.

https://www.ctvnews....-2025-1.6203478

This is a fascinating move because a) its a shortish timeline so we will all hopefully be around to see what a farce it will be and b) the wording is extremely sneaky......"must be able to run on electricity"......so it will allow PHEVs.

Watch hybrids explode, absolutely no way in the known universe we will sell even 15pc of new cars as pure EV by 2026. The time of the hybrid is coming faster than I expected. Toyota Canada executives will get hammered tonight, they'll just about be the only ones selling what people a) want and b) can afford.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Alllllllrighty peeps. Looks like canada is going to mandate 20pc of new vehicle sales must be able to run on electricity by 2026.

https://www.ctvnews....-2025-1.6203478

This is a fascinating move because a) its a shortish timeline so we will all hopefully be around to see what a farce it will be and b) the wording is extremely sneaky......"must be able to run on electricity"......so it will allow PHEVs.

Watch hybrids explode, absolutely no way in the known universe we will sell even 15pc of new cars as pure EV by 2026. The time of the hybrid is coming faster than I expected. Toyota Canada executives will get hammered tonight, they'll just about be the only ones selling what people a) want and b) can afford.

Looks like your link is dead.....I am getting so sick of this government.

[x622]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Looks like your link is dead.....I am getting so sick of this government.

Have you tried turning it off and turning it back on?

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Looks like your link is dead.....I am getting so sick of this government.

Conservatives have themselves to blame for this government. Too many whack jobs in the party scare the centre right to vote left.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Hybrids really seem like the realistic answer for the next 15-20 years. Let the battery technology get better, more power stations, improve the grid..........but we all know that's reasonable so it won't happen.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Hybrids really seem like the realistic answer for the next 15-20 years. Let the battery technology get better, more power stations, improve the grid..........but we all know that's reasonable so it won't happen.

Reasonable and not as profitable - so it DEFINTELY won’t happen.

[M3WC]

Akio is at it again, hitting back at the blind all-EV push.

“People involved in the auto industry are largely a silent majority,” Toyoda told reporters. “That silent majority is wondering whether EVs are really OK to have as a single option. But they think it’s the trend so they can’t speak out loudly…The right answer is still unclear, we shouldn’t limit ourselves to just one option.”

Toyota CEO Says “Silent Majority” Of Auto Industry Is Doubting EV-Only Future

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/12/to...v-only-future/

[derbo]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Hybrids really seem like the realistic answer for the next 15-20 years. Let the battery technology get better, more power stations, improve the grid..........but we all know that's reasonable so it won't happen.

I'm planning to replace my daily Civic Hatchback with Prius Prime in the future. My civic's 180hp is more than enough for commuting at 40mpg on regular 87 gas.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Conservatives have themselves to blame for this government. Too many whack jobs in the party scare the centre right to vote left.

... except democrats have been making campaign donations to the most extreme republicans, with the idea that they're less electable by the center.

[Alfisti]

Canada and the US are completely different, the US inherently votes further to the right and by some margin.

[chassis]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Akio is at it again, hitting back at the blind all-EV push.


Toyota CEO Says “Silent Majority” Of Auto Industry Is Doubting EV-Only Future

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/12/to...v-only-future/

He's practicing Judo, not surprisingly. Using the opponents' (EV-only advocates) momentum against themselves.

[Tejas1836]

Replace "big ass guess." with one big ass scam

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But he's still bought into the concept of "carbon neutrality". The problem is the "science" that promotes anthropogenic climate change is bad is based on just mathematic modeling. There is no non-predictive solution on how to achieve a static climate and there are no mechanisms invented or can be invented to control the climate that counteract the non-anthropogenic (natural) forces that affect climate. There is no hard evidence that humans must live on the planet as a carbon neutral animal population. It's all just one big ass guess. So, that means there are only guesses on how the auto industry should "move forward". The politicians are controlling the market, not the producers of the product.

I am no scientist but take the view that a) The weather definitely feels like it is changing and wickedly faster than i'd naturally expect and b) in the end I am a pragmatic man, I cannot FATHOM how we can do what we are doing to this planet and think there would not be any consequences. The ruthlessly logical part of me suspects it's us for the most part.