Future BMW model information

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by qdtjant

Question:
What new models of Alpina are these: ?
The facelift was launched in fall 2020.

November 2021:
G30 Alpina B5
G30 Alpina D5
G31 Alpina B5

For the B5 perhaps the S68?

[Wild Blue]

Originally Posted by gmag

Just a little "titbit" - the hybrid power train of the G70 M750Le will be the entry-level power train in the upcoming XM

If this is true, that's cool. Very interested in all things upcoming about the XM.

[sward]

Originally Posted by gmag

Just a little "titbit" - the hybrid power train of the G70 M750Le will be the entry-level power train in the upcoming XM

Is it the same as today's X5 45e or is it a new powertrain?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by sward

Is it the same as today's X5 45e or is it a new powertrain?

It will feature a B58 with electric assistance like the 45e, but it should offer significantly more power. Somewhere around 500hp would be a reasonable expectation.

[kith_m4]

Received email update on M4 Comp X Kith going in production in July 2021!

[gmag]

Originally Posted by sward

Is it the same as today's X5 45e or is it a new powertrain?

It will be a similar phev drivetrain to today's 745e but with an updated B58 engine, a more powerful yet more efficient electric motor & a gen 5 battery pack. It will crank out well over 500hp combined & around 750NM (553 lb ft) of torque.

[omegamn]

Nice, thanks for the info.

[Loma]

Does anyone know what is the VG Code for G80 M3 MxDrive?

[mbanck]

ynguldyn you wrote back in November:

The electric version of the next generation X1 (will be sold as "iX1") will be available in single-motor and dual-motor configurations with two range options. As a hint of motor power output, the designation for the single motor model will use "20" and the dual motor will use "30".

It's clear that the regular X1 will be FWD, but is it known already whether the iX1 sDrive will be FWD or RWD? And I guess we can assume the dual motor version will be AWD and they won't put two motors on the same axle?

[Weiman]

Originally Posted by mbanck

ynguldyn you wrote back in November:


It's clear that the regular X1 will be FWD, but is it known already whether the iX1 sDrive will be FWD or RWD? And I guess we can assume the dual motor version will be AWD and they won't put two motors on the same axle?

According to the rumor mill it will be FWD.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/04/08/2...x1-spy-photos/

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Weiman

According to the rumor mill it will be FWD.

It makes the most sense. The base models of Mercedes' EQA and EQB electric EVs are also FWD, just like their gas counterparts. Even the newly announced base model of the electric-only Polestar 2 is FWD due to the fact that the vehicle sits on parent Geely's CMA platform which was originally designed for FWD/AWD combustion vehicles.

While it is theoretically possible to build RWD EVs on a previously FWD/AWD platform, it does not appear that this approach has found favor.

[mkoesel]

It's good to finally see a release date for the X8 in the OP (August 2022).

Apparently they have decided to keep the X8 name, rather than go with XM (?).

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

It's good to finally see a release date for the X8 in the OP (August 2022).

Apparently they have decided to keep the X8 name, rather than go with XM (?).

Sorry, that's me being sloppy. XM is the correct one.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

G09 will be in production between 08/22 and 11/27. It will have three rows with choices for 6 or 7 seat s like G07.

3 rows is a bit of a head scratcher.

[sward]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Sorry, that's me being sloppy. XM is the correct one.

So the first real M-developed car from the ground up is a 7-seater SUV instead of a 2-seater sports car ?

I'll probably buy it since I'm driving a X5M comp today but I don't really see the logic from an M perspective.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by sward

So the first real M-developed car from the ground up is a 7-seater SUV instead of a 2-seater sports car ?

I'll probably buy it since I'm driving a X5M comp today but I don't really see the logic from an M perspective.

the XM isn't a "ground up" M car, it's basically a upgraded X7 coupe.... the market has dictated consumers will pay big bucks and there is strong demand for big fashion forward suv coupe/lower roofline designs when sufficiently positioned as super premium technology/style demonstrators. Considering the power outputs we have seen rumored no doubt the M branding is a reinforcement of that premium status

The days of the big sedan as the true brand flagship are ending

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by sward

So the first real M-developed car from the ground up is a 7-seater SUV

More of an M-branded product than M-developed.

Yes, the vehicle will have only a "performance" and "high performance" model (assuming rumors hold), both of which fall under the M product portfolio. But, the situation is little different from a hypothetical one where, for example, BMW were to eliminate the base X6 40i or 840i from today's lineup (the North American lineup specifically, where there are no diesels). You'd be left with just M models, and you could then theoretically call those "XM" and, I suppose, "M" respectively. But, that would not in and of itself change the way the vehicles were conceived.

The story with the X8 => XM will be more interesting and less contrived than that, but you get the idea. In fact, we already know that instead of a V8 powered M50i, there will be a B58 PHEV "M50e" model with similar output. Also, while I don't think it has been confirmed, it seems all but certain that the flagship model will not use a ~600hp S63 like the one that powers today's M5-and-up, but instead the S68 which is rumored to be a PHEV setup with about 750hp.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by xlover

The XM isn't a "ground up" M car, it's basically a upgraded X7 coupe...

I dunno...

It's not really a sleeker X7; they are very different vehicles. So much so, the 3rd row thing has me completely stumped.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by lemetier

I dunno...

It's not really a sleeker X7; they are very different vehicles. So much so, the 3rd row thing has me completely stumped.

And you're right.

All the XM info I posted last night is BS. Removed.

[sward]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

And you're right.

All the XM info I posted last night is BS. Removed.

That makes sense.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

And you're right.

All the XM info I posted last night is BS. Removed.

BS is a bit harsh on yourself. There's a few people up top who I can see pitching the idea and having enough clout to actually see it tried. What I can't picture is anyone actually fitting in it. Second row is positioned like in the iX with a bit more legroom added.

[sward]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

And you're right.

All the XM info I posted last night is BS. Removed.

You are doing a great job with all the info!