Ford Debuts 7th-Generation S650 Mustang and New Dark Horse Performance Series

[Quadruple VANOS]

My favorite part of this design is how they lowered the top of the doors. It really changes how the car presents itself. Totally different than a Camaro too.

[Germanauto]

Has some Camaro in it sure. But this is a badass whip. If I didn't have such a hard on for nimble handling and luxurious interiors I'd definitely love a 5.0.

In today's climate guys, we should just be thankful for any new ICE, especially V8s.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

BMW can learn from the new Mustang's configurable digital dashboard. Ford included an ability to select a look of conventional round gauges; or a modern look.

Underrated comment. BMW's stupid reverse trapezoidal dark ass gauges need to go. At least give us a digital option for the traditional round orange ones.

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Has some Camaro in it sure. But this is a badass whip. If I didn't have such a hard on for nimble handling and luxurious interiors I'd definitely love a 5.0.

In today's climate guys, we should just be thankful for any new ICE, especially V8s.

Also they said it’s the post powerful N/A V8 they’ve built. Means it’s over 526 HP. thinking this will be a fun ride.

They are saying probably a bit higher than the Mach though so about $60k. Seems crazy how expensive cars have gotten.

[Alfisti]

A regulation GT is over $60K here so we used to it.

[Theruleslawyer]

I don't think this is going to change any minds. Its too similar to the outgoing s550, and I actually like the LCD dash option better in that car. Mild power bump, similar enough look that nonethusiasts will probably confuse them if they aren't side by side.

It'll do fine. Especially since it'll be the lone contender in the na v8 space soon. Challenger and charger are going away. Camaro isn't being refreshed.

I just hope there are more engineering changes we aren't seeing. A stiffer chassis for one. The biggest downside is that the chassis engineering still has to be shared with an ecoboost in the low 30's and consequently has to be cheap AF.

[Theruleslawyer]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

One good thing about the instrument cluster panel is that if there's a problem it can be removed easily for repair instead of taking apart the whole dash like in other cars.

Most instrument clusters are pretty easy to take out. What are you talking about?

[XutvJet]

Definitely a lot of Camaro, Charger, and Challenger ques in the new Stang, but still looks like a Stang. I do like the cleaner look. The rear fenders are a bit too much in terms of arc height.

I've said this for a long time, this car is about 12 inches too long. So much wasted exterior mass. The current gen Stang is over a foot longer and 3 inches wider than my M235 yet has less interior and trunk room, way less rear passenger room, and somehow weighs 300lbs more.

The new M240 RWD on proper tires will make quick work of the new Stang. Mod for mod, no chance.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Mike00

Also they said it’s the post powerful N/A V8 they’ve built. Means it’s over 526 HP. thinking this will be a fun ride.

They are saying probably a bit higher than the Mach though so about $60k. Seems crazy how expensive cars have gotten.

No, this will be the most powerful Mustang GT ever made, not the most powerful NA V8 they've ever made. The 2022 GT is 450hp. I'd expect 470ish for the 2024 GT. I doubt it will be much quicker assuming it's gained weight.

[Theruleslawyer]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

No, this will be the most powerful Mustang GT ever made, not the most powerful NA V8 they've ever made. The 2022 GT is 450hp. I'd expect 470ish for the 2024 GT. I doubt it will be much quicker assuming it's gained weight.

They said 480 or more in the live show. Thats base GT. Dark horse is 500+

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

No, this will be the most powerful Mustang GT ever made, not the most powerful NA V8 they've ever made. The 2022 GT is 450hp. I'd expect 470ish for the 2024 GT. I doubt it will be much quicker assuming it's gained weight.

They said Coyote engine: https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-fo...-tremec-manual

Sporting a new, sinister horse-head badge, the Mustang Dark Horse is powered by "the most powerful Coyote" V8 ever


I don’t know I know the GT350 was a Voodoo Coyote so maybe I’m read into it. Guess we will see.

[Theruleslawyer]

Originally Posted by Mike00

They said Coyote engine: https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-fo...-tremec-manual

Sporting a new, sinister horse-head badge, the Mustang Dark Horse is powered by "the most powerful Coyote" V8 ever


I don’t know I know the GT350 was a Voodoo Coyote so maybe I’m read into it. Guess we will see.

Voodoo isn't a coyote. At least nobody involved with mustangs would use it that way even if its the same engine family or something.

[AlexFL]

Dark Horse exhaust sound and accelerations.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

My favorite part of this design is how they lowered the top of the doors. It really changes how the car presents itself. Totally different than a Camaro too.

Somehow the headroom specs are half an inch or so lower than the Camaro. Not sure how that is even possible...

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Definitely a lot of Camaro, Charger, and Challenger ques in the new Stang, but still looks like a Stang. I do like the cleaner look. The rear fenders are a bit too much in terms of arc height.

I've said this for a long time, this car is about 12 inches too long. So much wasted exterior mass. The current gen Stang is over a foot longer and 3 inches wider than my M235 yet has less interior and trunk room, way less rear passenger room, and somehow weighs 300lbs more.

The new M240 RWD on proper tires will make quick work of the new Stang. Mod for mod, no chance.

Then it wouldn't look like a Mustang, let alone a pony car.

Can you imagine a Mustang with the 2-Series proportions? Yikes. Every Mustang has had a long hood and short rear decklid. That's where the majority of your space is going.

At least it'll sound better than anything in the price bracket.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by RM7

Somehow the headroom specs are half an inch or so lower than the Camaro. Not sure how that is even possible...

Dropping the belt line doesn't impact headroom. Not sure why you're pointing to a headroom spec.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Definitely a lot of Camaro, Charger, and Challenger ques in the new Stang, but still looks like a Stang. I do like the cleaner look. The rear fenders are a bit too much in terms of arc height.

I've said this for a long time, this car is about 12 inches too long. So much wasted exterior mass. The current gen Stang is over a foot longer and 3 inches wider than my M235 yet has less interior and trunk room, way less rear passenger room, and somehow weighs 300lbs more.

The new M240 RWD on proper tires will make quick work of the new Stang. Mod for mod, no chance.

DOesn't the M240 run maybe 13s stock? Mustang is obviously faster

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

DOesn't the M240 run maybe 13s stock? Mustang is obviously faster

12.1 stock, which is the same as an S550 GT 10s. Obviously it's easier to tune the BMW than the naturally aspirated Mustang, but you'll never get the BMW to lap like the Mustang.

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

12.1 stock, which is the same as an S550 GT 10s. Obviously it's easier to tune the BMW than the naturally aspirated Mustang, but you'll never get the BMW to lap like the Mustang.

The reg m240 runs 12.1 stock? Not the m2 but the reg m240?

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Mike00

The reg m240 runs 12.1 stock? Not the m2 but the reg m240?

This one was quicker than the M2 and M2c, also a humongous 3,800+ pounds.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Mike00

The reg m240 runs 12.1 stock? Not the m2 but the reg m240?

It's a driver's race. M240 is about the same time with lower trap speed.

[Theruleslawyer]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

12.1 stock, which is the same as an S550 GT 10s. Obviously it's easier to tune the BMW than the naturally aspirated Mustang, but you'll never get the BMW to lap like the Mustang.

Mustangs aren't exactly known as track beasts.... the more track oriented ones run times on the 'ring roughly in line with F8x cars. A touch slower overall to significantly slower for the plain GTs.