Toyota Presents World Debut of the New 2022 GR 86

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by R N M

Are you really comparing a Challenger to BRZ???

I am comparing on paper, as I said, in reality, someone shopping a Challenger would be very unlikely to be cross shopping for a BRZ/86 at the same time, but if we talking STRICTLY on a financial standpoint, a +/- 30k ,2+2, rear drive manual coupe, Challenger V6 is one of the few available options. Not saying they are comparable at all, I'm saying on paper if someone is looking for that exact spec, a Challenger will pop up.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

Bit off topic, but I have been passed by a few MX5s. With engine swaps. The one that shocked me the most was LS swapped. Guy had to wear special shoes not to get burned.

The first 2-3 minutes of this video also show what a Miata can do with proper power. So hats off to the Miata. And to you as a driver when you can pass cars with more than 2x the HP.

^ awesome

At around 0:43 you start to get a sense of just how fast that thing is. Both of you were tearing it up out there.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by WastegateRattle

^ awesome

At around 0:43 you start to get a sense of just how fast that thing is. Both of you were tearing it up out there.

Yeah, that thing was well driven, and pulled on me on the straights. I knew what was up when he (or she) caught up to me on the back straight. While I was doing 160mph at like 2s into the video. Love it! I'm sure all the Porshes were drooling

[Red Bread]

I would never buy a 3,600 pound car. 3,200 is pretty much my limit. I also don't really want anything much longer than 170", which makes Mustangs and Camaros pretty much invisible to me.

[RMachuca3d]

To anyone complaining why no turbo....

Engineering explained did a whole video about it, in the end it has to do with packaging, weight distribution, cost, gearing, efficiency and so on, including tire diameters, unsprung weight increase from bigger brakes because the car will be heavier and go faster etc.... it would have had a huge domino effect at the essence of why the car exists would no longer be in correlation of what the car is meant to be, which would pretty much make it pointless.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Base Challenger SXT or the Camaro V6, both offering over 300 horsepower for about the same money, much more weight though
They do have great presence, and eat the BRZ/FRS all day long for breakfast in a straight line. But neither are known to be great at handling. I am talking strictly straight out of the box.

In that the 86/BRZ is again, closer to a MX-5, but then the MX5 is a 2 seater

So while we can say that the car could use more power, really it is unique in the market. Someone shopping for an American coupe isn't shopping at a Subaru/Toyota dealer, and someone buying an MX5 is buying a MX5

See my post about tracking these cars. Stock, they are boats and all bark and no bite when there are turns involved. I would hesitate take an 86 to the drag strip, conversly taking base Challengers and Camaros stumble about a technical track isn't that fun if you really want to run with genuine sports cars. That being said, handling and braking can be tuned on these cars with a higher ceiling than an NA 86. Totally different customers like you said. It's a shame we don't have more options, the Supra 2.0 is closer in price, but still in another price category.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

To anyone complaining why no turbo....

Engineering explained did a whole video about it, in the end it has to do with packaging, weight distribution, cost, gearing, efficiency and so on, including tire diameters, unsprung weight increase from bigger brakes because the car will be heavier and go faster etc.... it would have had a huge domino effect at the essence of why the car exists would no longer be in correlation of what the car is meant to be, which would pretty much make it pointless.

Cost is the biggest factor here. A 255hp Toyota sports car would be more expensive and need turbo etc... more weight... that already exists in the Supra 2.0 at $43k.

[D_SheerDrivingPleasure]

To appreciate a car like this you need to understand the thrill of driving at 10/10th on the track...that is something that most (including myself) are incapable of doing in their high powered and pricey cars because of lack of skill/fear of crashing. I often enjoy a track day in a spec miata more than my f80. Our cars have gobs of available torque whereas a car like this require exploiting the engine by maintaining the revs. Momentum cars are fun. I want one.

[swagon]

I hope the information regarding it being sold in the EU is correct. Or else we're damn screwed.

[IllSic_Design]

Originally Posted by D_SheerDrivingPleasure

To appreciate a car like this you need to understand the thrill of driving at 10/10th on the track...that is something that most (including myself) are incapable of doing in their high powered and pricey cars because of lack of skill/fear of crashing. I often enjoy a track day in a spec miata more than my f80. Our cars have gobs of available torque whereas a car like this require exploiting the engine by maintaining the revs. Momentum cars are fun. I want one.

[supra93]

Some live outdoor pics.

[IllSic_Design]

Looks good, I just can't get over how much the tail lights look like a Civic lol, I instantly think it as soon as I see them

[The__J__Factor]

I wonder if the piece behind the front fender, between the vent and the fender is removable. If it is, might see some elaborate vent replacement pieces come out.

Live pics look better than the press release pics.

[supra93]

Here is gray, white and black. Link to thread incase the pics don't show up.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toy...86.8485/page-2

[supra93]

Originally Posted by The__J__Factor

Live pics look better than the press release pics.

I think the indoor lighting was really poor during the unveiling. The car definitely looks better outside with natural sunlight.

[R N M]

It looks so much bigger than the 1st gen.

The red GR86 looks great in those pics 👍👍

[M-technik-3]

Feel it's too soft on styling. Lack of factory hot rod version yet in US I see sales going away. Nice to have a fun tossable car but having to rely on aftermarket support for a HP/Tq infusion kinda bites.

[supra93]

The U.S. spec 86 will debut next week.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145468

[supra93]

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145552

[Red Bread]

Nice to see they finally banished the 1986 Corolla clock.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by supra93

I am very bothered by the badge on that trunk, it HAS to be edited, and VERY poorly

[supra93]