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12-23-2023, 02:50 PM | #67 | |
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12-23-2023, 03:06 PM | #68 | |
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Very insightful article: https://fortune.com/2023/12/22/no-on...-tesla-bmw-vw/ Used EVs in the current form represent an "inventory risk" because the used EV market isn't liquid enough. 'Part of the problem is that the industry is handling secondhand EVs for the first time. While combustion-engine cars can be quickly valued via their age and mileage, there are no tests in widespread use that determine the quality of a battery, Weddigen von Knapp said. The battery represents around 30% of an EV’s value, a share that is expected to decline in the coming years, according to BloombergNEF." |
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Hahaha right! I can’t afford an M yet but the electric cars are the same damm price lol
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There are other issues as well such as repairability by third parties. The ecosystem hasn't yet developed so a lot of EV's end up being written off.
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There must be a sunset date or EVs never gain enough penetration to provide a meaningful reduction in GHG emissions. Humans operate on relatively short time preferences. It's a problem because the right decision is only taken once all the poor decisions have been exhausted.
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All I can say is there’s a God and best thing I have heard from BMW in a long while!
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I’m in the minority in the petrol head crowd regarding EVs. I daily my manual m2 and enjoy every mile driving that tiny beast, I have a tesla 3 which is in no means fancy or even well built, but it delivers phenomenal performance and convenience.
The scary one (for the future of ICE car) is a car like ix, which I just received it last week. It is extremely well built, fast, comfortable and very easy to live with. If you have 220 outlet in your garage, there is no real reason not getting ix installed of a x5. For most of EV users “time spent charging” is overhyped, unless you travel couple of hundred miles a day. for most of us who drive less than 100 miles a day and travel 300-400 miles on weekends, and if you’re able to charge your car at home, the time you spend at charging stations will not be more than your time spent in gas stations for your ICE car. Most of people who are absolutely against EVs have not driven or live with one. just go a head and rent a tesla for a week. I watched a documentary on DW tv about German automakers really didn’t want to dive to the EV sector, and if there was no tesla in the market, probably none of the Germans would have made a single EVs. But at the end, market( especially emerging market like china), policies and regulations and profitability ( which is is much higher with EVs) will talk. If not all, but in the next 10-15 years most of cars on the roads will be EVs. It’s a one way road. |
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The issue I can see at least in the U.K. is that although you will still be “allowed” to drive a ICE in the coming years, they will prove you off the road. This is already happening with clean air schemes where older cars have to pay a daily charge to enter a city although there is some backlash about this in some locations.
Even parking you can be charged more for a ICE. EVs are flawed and while they can work very well for some , the important thing is that they don’t work for everyone and forcing everyone down this path is not right whilst EVs can potentially be greener in some circumstances, it’s certainly not a black and white argument I can manufacturers continuing to make IVE as not all markets are committed to this net zero idea. This decision seems to have been made without any agreement by the public that I’m aware of There an argument that keeping your car longer is better than all the effort that goes into a new car being built It’s certainly going to be interesting the next few years. There seems to be some issues occurring with EVs , some of this may be being exaggerated in the press but they include cars catching fire, cars being written off with small amounts of damage and insurance rates being high. Me personally I recently bought a g30 m550 and I really see this as the last car I will own, there is nothing new that appeals and I just want to carry on using this mainly for fun. |
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Hybrid is really the only solution, to think otherwise is delusional.
Toyota’s CEO had it figured out. Hybrids reduce emissions, get rid of the reliance on charging infrastructure and actually have more postive environmental impact: “Toyota can produce eight 40-mile plug-in hybrids for every one 320-mile battery electric vehicle and save up to eight times the carbon emitted into the atmosphere” Also:
Haven’t even gone into the challenges with insurance after accidents, massive depreciation of EVs themselves. It’s one of the biggest boondoggles of our lifetime.
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Just read an article in this month’s German magazine “AutoMotor Sport” that HVO100 is coming to Germany. HVO is hydrated vegetable oil and technically all diesel’s can run on this. It’s 90-100% CO2 free, it’s clear and odorless and costs only 5-20 euro cents more. Diesel in Germany is usually 10-30 euro cents cheaper than gasoline and diesel cars average 35-50 mpg. Currently diesel is €1.59-1.65/Ltr. BMW and other German vehicle manufacturers have gone to the EU regarding the use of “biofuels” like HVO, in order to modify standards and push forward passed 2035 the manufacturing of ICE’s. It seems likely, as others suspect, that the 2035 target will be slipped.
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This. Oh yes. 🙌🏻
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I do have an EV but only because it’s a great tax incentive here etc
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This is ridiculous. Leave your microwaves in the kitchen.
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The production of the batteries is atrocious for the environment. Not a given at all. |
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EVs will never see mass adoption and ICE’s are here to stay.
It’s the economics of hydrocarbons and food. There’s no way you can grow enough fuel, at least for the foreseeable future. Unless everyone is willing to pay a lot more for things like composites, synthetic fabrics, plastics, roof shingles, nice asphalt roads, cleaning products, medicines…fossil fuels are here to stay. You can’t make those things without producing distillates (jet and diesel) and gasoline. Who wants to back to cotton tightie whities?
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Yes. Lifecycle emissions of an EV are significantly less than those of ICE.
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EVs are great, but let's not act like banning every last fun ICE car is going to save the planet.
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However with big top down gov authoritarian bans on ice, there is no free market, ppl will be forced into ev’s through lack of choice and sweeping taxation Sure you may live in a country that doesn’t introduce the same ice bans or holds out a little bit longer than eu, but it wont matter because these manufacturers won’t be building you anything worth buying Euro6 comes into play in 25, from that point on you won’t see any new ice platforms being developed, certainly not anything sports car based, at best you’ll get small engine hybrids as a short term stop gap |
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